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Trans Rights Are Human Rights

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Punji

Vaskebjørn
I think you shouldn't try to condescend when you are clearly in the wrong and don't what you're talking about.

Punji, the healthcare card serves as initial identification for you, which you may be to use to identify yourself in other legal contexts like if a law enforcement officer asked for identification or you needed to provide several piece of identification as points of identification for a legal document like a passport.

The number on your healthcare card provides a reference for your file in the medical database, which has all of the identifying information (birth date, sex, gender, address) and your medical history. As long as information is the database, they can verify who you are, probably more so than with your card since they can ask you to verify information about your medical history, which an improbable imposter is unlikely to know.

Also, think about what you said for a moment. If your healthcare card just had your verification number on it, it would be harder for an imposter to assume your identity for healthcare services, wouldn't it? Just like how it would be harder for this imposter to impersonate you if your sex isn't listed, though you could have an obviously masculine name.

Furthermore, foreigners have access the Canadian healthcare system, though depending on the services it may not be fully covered and prescreening would out anyone trying to engage in fraud. This is your healthcare system, so you should be familiar with this.
Condescend? I honestly don't mean to. If I'm trying to condescend I'd do it comically exaggeratedly.

It doesn't have a photo so usually doesn't work as government ID. It serves entirely to provide me access to healthcare no matter how major or minor.

Again, yes. But if my card has some of the information in the system on it, they can be more sure my card is legit.

It would be harder yes. But they'd need to know that information already to fabricate a healthcare card, and more information is usually asked than is what is listed on the card.

I am intimately familiar with it. I've been to the emergency room twice. Both times I was taken in immediately upon telling them why I was there and received attention before they even took my card. The last time one nurse checked my vitals and took a blood sample as the other entered my number in before I was brought to a bed. They're going to check but if I was bleeding to death they'd try to save me first. They ask for basic information routinely to ensure they give proper treatment to the right person once things are stable, but it's not hard to miss things in the beginning. Why exactly do you think these measurements and precautions are in place?

This has gone way beyond the scope of what the thread is about, because you shove the goalposts further every time to have something to attack me with. Might we actually get back on track? I'm sorry I even let this go so far out of court.

@ MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (Quote me please so I know you're not trying to hide my posts to attack me easier) lol okay if you want you can use the language of transphobes like the company that has defended you that you consort with I won’t stop you but it does the opposite of dispelling the perception that you like them are a transphobe.
Again deary, you don't know the company I keep. In fact, the people I talk to and spend time with the most are either A) Not furries, B) Not on FAF at all, or C) Not active on FAF.

Who has defended me? The only ones mentioning my name here are your lovely self and those who more or less support the same positions as you.

Lastly when I asked you or anyone at all to show me something where I was being transphobic I get crickets and raindrops. You just don't like me and are using a personal grudge to fuel blatantly false accusations.

I feel like a suitable synonym could be something like "being transgender" or just refer to gender identity, "trans people" could also fit in some of the situations. Also something like "the trans community"

For example, instead of something like "Transgenderism is...", you could say "Being transgender is..." or "Trans gender identities are..."
I'm sure other people on the forums also have usable alternatives and synonyms they would be willing to share.
I don't really agree. "Being transgender" is exactly that, being transgender. With my past examples, "being a furry" and "furryism" aren't quite the same thing, though they're similar.

"Furryism" is perhaps intimate involvement in the furry fandom while being a furry is simply being fond of anthros. Similar but they don't quite mean the same things.
 

mangomango

Well-Known Chee
I don't really agree. "Being transgender" is exactly that, being transgender. With my past examples, "being a furry" and "furryism" aren't quite the same thing, though they're similar.

"Furryism" is perhaps intimate involvement in the furry fandom while being a furry is simply being fond of anthros. Similar but they don't quite mean the same things.
I don't believe there's enough of a difference to continue using one term over the other despite objections of many of the users on here. They're similar enough to substitute.
 

ASTA

Former Trash Man
A very sophisticated primate: "Why is it that every single trans-positivity thread ends with it being locked due to several problematic users habitually having the need to shit it up with their senseless "debates"? It's always the same users doing the shit-flinging too! God, these transphobes!"

A certain silly yeen: *posts multiple inflammatory screencaps depicting multiple users entertaining non-sanctioned opinions on gender in an effort to defame them on FAF*

Flamingo: *dances all over the thread*

The rest of the crew: "wHy CaN't wE HaVe tRaNs tHreaD!??!?! :[[[[["
 

Lupus Et Revertetur

Metal Misanthrope
I'm upset at the fact that I know or mutual follow some of those people for quite a while, and they set up a discord and didn't even consider inviting me in it, even after asking a few months ago....Yet, everyone loves to accuse me of being this or that, or paranoid, and wonder why I feel overly distrustful and misanthropic when people fucking ditch me and set up their "secret groups". Fuck, I didn't need to see that.
 

Lucyfur

United forever in friendship and labour
Banned
A very sophisticated primate: "Why is it that every single trans-positivity thread ends with it being locked due to several problematic users having the need to shit it up with their senseless "debates"? It's always the same users doing the shit-flinging too! God, these transphobes!"

A certain silly yeen: *posts multiple inflammatory screencaps depicting multiple users entertaining non-sanctioned opinions on gender in an effort to defame them on FAF*

Flamingo: *dances all over the thread*

The rest of the crew: "wHy CaN't wE HaVe tRaNs tHreaD!??!?! :[[[[["
So are you trying to say that the individuals who have been claimed to be transphobes with content that displays them as being such as well as outlining the fact that I do and am aware of the company they keep as well is somehow too much or too far?

Not my fault I didnt make them say it nor did my informant. I am merely a collector of intelligence.


I'm upset at the fact that I know or mutual follow some of those people for quite a while, and they set up a discord and didn't even consider inviting me in it, even after asking a few months ago....Yet, everyone loves to accuse me of being this or that, or paranoid, and wonder why I feel overly distrustful and misanthropic when people fucking ditch me and set up their "secret groups". Fuck, I didn't need to see that.

Ah not being in their group is what breaks your heart and not that theyre a group of rather toxic transphobic fellows?
Noted and not very metal of you~
 

Lupus Et Revertetur

Metal Misanthrope
Ah not being in their group is what breaks your heart and not that theyre a group of rather toxic transphobic fellows?
Noted and not very metal of you~
No, it proves you all are just two-faced af. And, don't pretend I fit into your far-left worldview and you wanted my fucking company anyway, as if it concerned you.
 
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Lucyfur

United forever in friendship and labour
Banned

Miles Marsalis

The Last DJ.
@Lucyfur , @Lupus Et Revertetur wasn't in that chat, apparently. I think it is a little weird he feels he missed out, but he isn't the problem here. For this, he is blameless.

@Lupus Et Revertetur , I feel you dodged a bullet, but you actually weren't involved in a transphobic chat so I'd take that as a credit to you.
 

Lucyfur

United forever in friendship and labour
Banned
Because you have people leak shit from private chats, and, you fucking showed me people who I learned want nothing to do with me after all.
That doesn't make me two faced. It means I said what I said about people because I knew about them thanks to theat information.

I wasn't aware that these were people you thought yourself kin to that had you on the outside.
I am sorry that you are upset by that but I find that you have misdirected your anger and frustration towards myself when I am simply the one providing receipts to claims made by myself that had been disputed.

I do think you are better for not having fallen in with them based off the communications I have seen since they are a rather concerning bunch.
 

Lupus Et Revertetur

Metal Misanthrope
@Lucyfur , @Lupus Et Revertetur wasn't in that chat, apparently. I think it is a little weird he feels he missed out, but he isn't the problem here. For this, he is blameless.

@Lupus Et Revertetur , I feel you dodged a bullet, but you actually weren't involved in a transphobic chat so I'd take that as a credit to you.
No, I was just accused of various other shit by you people for years that it made my stay feel so welcome here. Man, I really dodged a huge one there. Now I know I'm in the right company this time around. lol
 

Punji

Vaskebjørn
Mmmmm Well I think I may just know the company you keep, or more accurately I have someone else who does.

TW//CW: Transphobia
It's a public server you specifically used to be a part of before you rage quit when a certain someone joined, so don't pat yourself on the back too hard!

Well you can't say I never warned him. :p I don't necessarily defend the statements in the screen caps. I didn't even defend them in the caps. However do note it's from the venting channel where people are notably not going to hold back and are generally saying things they don't mean. As for my own involvement, all I said was it wasn't a good idea to be saying such hurtful things and that nature mostly dictates sexual attraction.

The final three are from political sections which you can plainly see I'm never active in.

You call me a transphobe and have screenshots of some public conversations there and yet can't come up with even a single thing I've said that's in any way transphobic?

And lastly, this is exactly one of the furry servers I'm a part of. Even then, if you read through my posts most of it is completely irrelevant to the FAF talking to people not on the FAF. The company I keep in this one server I mostly chat about nothing with as literally anyone with a Discord account can see. Did ya' check out all the gay furry porn I've posted in there too? :p
 

Miles Marsalis

The Last DJ.
No, I was just accused of various other shit by you people for years that it made my stay feel so welcome here. Man, I really dodged a huge one there. Now I know I'm in the right company this time around. lol
You did stuff that has been pointed out and you admitted to, more accurately. Just not anything in this instance.

I'll drop this if you want , but I'm not trying to fight you here, yeah?
 

KD142000

Leather-clad Lobo
That doesn't make me two faced. It means I said what I said about people because I knew about them thanks to theat information.

I wasn't aware that these were people you thought yourself kin to that had you on the outside.
I am sorry that you are upset by that but I find that you have misdirected your anger and frustration towards myself when I am simply the one providing receipts to claims made by myself that had been disputed.

I do think you are better for not having fallen in with them based off the communications I have seen since they are a rather concerning bunch.
Everyone in there is getting an insta-block from me.

Should all be ashamed of yourselves, but I guess we're past that now, aren't we?
Fuck the lot of you.
 

Attaman

"I say we forget this business and run."
I would like to take this opportunity to remind people that...

1) Publicly posting screenshots of chat logs on FA(F) can and has lead to people being infracted on here before, specifically under CoC 2.1. It has even lead to threads being closed. Yes, even when somebody has directly invited you to share as much. Yes, even if / when a chat log doesn't involve anyone on the website and / or forum. Yes, even when the chat logs are contained off-site within a link published by a journalistic / news medium. If it's a chat log, period, publicly post / link it on FA(F) at your risk (especially since anybody who's in the chat log is likely to report it with the fury of ten thousand suns, then promptly deny the existence of said logs once they're removed and the person with access to them is incapable of sharing them).

2) While keeping the above in mind for publicly posting chat logs, also keep in mind that chat logs are directly admissible evidence in reports to moderation when it comes to "an incident that is imminent or occurring on Fur Affinity" and "irrefutable" in their nature. So, for example, if a user is dancing around saying "There's nothing transphobic about not using the right pronouns :) People make mistakes sometimes" the fifth 'mistake' in a week, and you have chat logs of them explicitly going "They're fucking fakers and delusional, though you can't say it to their faces", you can submit as much alongside your report to provide context to help moderation determine if the posts - in context - are in fact transphobic. Though bear in mind that the second qualifier, "irrefutable", does some heavy lifting: If you cannot conclusively prove that the person in the logs is the same as the one making the posts on FA(F), your mileage may vary (or even qualify as abuse of the Report Ticket system, particularly if it's the only evidence in your report and the connection is tenuous).

Now, having got the legal and CoC stuff out of the way, I'd like to say... thank you for some damned fine and exquisite tea.
 

Punji

Vaskebjørn
Ah, one little comment before the thread gets locked and everything's deleted:

Since the cards are on the table, I have screenshots of people talking about myself and others in a less than positive light as well.

Remember, no one is innocent.
 

Lucyfur

United forever in friendship and labour
Banned
It's a public server you specifically used to be a part of before you rage quit when a certain someone joined, so don't pat yourself on the back too hard!

Well you can't say I never warned him. :p I don't necessarily defend the statements in the screen caps. I didn't even defend them in the caps. However do note it's from the venting channel where people are notably not going to hold back and are generally saying things they don't mean. As for my own involvement, all I said was it wasn't a good idea to be saying such hurtful things and that nature mostly dictates sexual attraction.

The final three are from political sections which you can plainly see I'm never active in.

You call me a transphobe and have screenshots of some public conversations there and yet can't come up with even a single thing I've said that's in any way transphobic?

And lastly, this is exactly one of the furry servers I'm a part of. Even then, if you read through my posts most of it is completely irrelevant to the FAF talking to people not on the FAF. The company I keep in this one server I mostly chat about nothing with as literally anyone with a Discord account can see. Did ya' check out all the gay furry porn I've posted in there too? :p
I was actually removed from those sections of the server because I was the only one who was left of center there which made it ripe to speak out against a lot of their BS like some racism some xenophobia some transphobia. You know that nice melting pot of alt-lite to right points time and again.
I left because I realized I had nothing to do there. But initially my existence had been one of opposition. Unlike yourself who was like 'heh transphobic remarks I hope this doesnt get out' I actually spokje out against such things and provided the scientific facts to the matter.

That is the big difference you are one of a silent compliance.
 

Miles Marsalis

The Last DJ.
Ah, one little comment before the thread gets locked and everything's deleted:

Since the cards are on the table, I have screenshots of people talking about myself and others in a less than positive light as well.

Remember, no one is innocent.
I disagree, but perhaps some are more guilty than others.
 

Lucyfur

United forever in friendship and labour
Banned
Ah, one little comment before the thread gets locked and everything's deleted:

Since the cards are on the table, I have screenshots of people talking about myself and others in a less than positive light as well.

Remember, no one is innocent.
Do it~
Please do it I invite you to I want you to show all my shame mmmmm~
 

Lupus Et Revertetur

Metal Misanthrope
I'll drop this if you want , but I'm not trying to fight you here, yeah?
I don't care, you are all the same in my eyes, and you, specifically the left-wing people have tried to make lowkey Nazi implications toward me in the past, and tried to slander for being that nasty "Republican trump loving fuck", and I've stood up for some of those people in that discord a while back when they had accusations by you people before that chat, but you all acted like friends on here, probably washed away your wounds for a while, it's simply amazing.
 

ASTA

Former Trash Man
Everyone in there is getting an insta-block from me.

Should all be ashamed of yourselves, but I guess we're past that now, aren't we?
Fuck the lot of you.

Been passed it. I'm shocked it took this long for you lot to finally smash that block button.

You've learned! Good!
 

Punji

Vaskebjørn
I was actually removed from those sections of the server because I was the only one who was left of center there which made it ripe to speak out against a lot of their BS like some racism some xenophobia some transphobia. You know that nice melting pot of alt-lite to right points time and again.
I left because I realized I had nothing to do there. But initially my existence had been one of opposition. Unlike yourself who was like 'heh transphobic remarks I hope this doesnt get out' I actually spokje out against such things and provided the scientific facts to the matter.

That is the big difference you are one of a silent compliance.
I only know what I was told when I saw you leave the server. I expressed surprise that you were there since you never posted anything (why didn't you welcome me? :confused:) and was told you were blocked from the politics section because of all the fights you caused, and had since pretty much stopped posting completely.

Silent compliance, hah. A conversation was going on and I actively tried to stop it by subtly suggesting it should be stopped, then tried to steer it to another subject. Do you comply and support every single thing said here on the forums if you don't directly comment on them?

Do it~
Please do it I invite you to I want you to show all my shame mmmmm~
Hey, you know my Discord. ;)

For what it's worth, we can just talk.

I disagree, but perhaps some are more guilty than others.
Haha, that's rich. You disagree that no one is innocent? You of all people know exactly why that's wrong.

But regardless, I can't defend the statements and did not at the time.
 
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