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Uncle Kage

Vukasin

Member
and others don't like him due to how he "Controls" the media.
That's just so that furries are looked upon positively. If everyone saw the negative stuff that the media wants to show then hotels wouldn't want to have a furry convention in their building, and restaurants wouldn't want furries coming to eat there.
 

Fox_720B

Has left FAF, at least for now
Just ignore the guy.

Well, because, he's a little hard to ignore, to be honest. He runs Anthrocon, and is a prominent figure, often guest of honor, at most of the world's largest other fur cons, including Euroference, for example. He's everywhere.
 

Zaraphayx

Banned
Banned
That's just so that furries are looked upon positively. If everyone saw the negative stuff that the media wants to show then hotels wouldn't want to have a furry convention in their building, and restaurants wouldn't want furries coming to eat there.

The mainstream media and the general population at large doesn't give a fuck about furries, and businesses aren't going to just stop taking money because they think you're weird.

It's not like the people who run the convention centers and hotels don't have first-hand experience with how members of the furry fandom act, they are the ones hosting these events. :rolleyes:
 

Ricky

Well-Known Member
That's just so that furries are looked upon positively. If everyone saw the negative stuff that the media wants to show then hotels wouldn't want to have a furry convention in their building, and restaurants wouldn't want furries coming to eat there.

Uuh, no =p

You *do* know there are plenty of sex conventions hosted in hotels, right? Also, a restaurant won't refuse service to people because they are Furries. That's stupid.
 

Fox_720B

Has left FAF, at least for now
The mainstream media and the general population at large doesn't give a fuck about furries, and businesses aren't going to just stop taking money because they think you're weird.

It's not like the people who run the convention centers and hotels don't have first-hand experience with how members of the furry fandom act, they are the ones hosting these events. :rolleyes:


Unfortunately, that isn't always true. Hotels have public perception that they have to deal with as well. It doesn't matter how well behaved you may be on their property, if it would be bad PR for them to host you because you're considered a convention for sexual deviants and child molesters...well...they aren't going to host you. They figure that they'll lose less revenue from cancelling your reservation than they would from people boycotting the hotel for "supporting sick freaks". You see.

And the media cares about whatever sells newspapers or online subscriptions or provides viewership to their networks. If it's controversial, it'll sell.

Uuh, no =p

You *do* know there are plenty of sex conventions hosted in hotels, right? Also, a restaurant won't refuse service to people because they are Furries. That's stupid.

It absolutely can happen. It's a judgement call made on the part of the business. If the business decides they're willing to risk the negative press, they'll keep the booking. If they decide it's bad for business, they'll cancel it. It's just the way it works.

As for restaurants, it's rare for people to be refused service, but most restaurants to reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Again, it comes down to a judgement call: is it worth it refuse service? Most people would focus on the host of the convention, not necessarily the restaurants serving food to whomever.
 
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Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
If Kage wants to tell people there are no sex offenders, then why did he put one for registration duty at Anthrocon?
 

Zaraphayx

Banned
Banned
Unfortunately, that isn't always true. Hotels have public perception that they have to deal with as well. It doesn't matter how well behaved you may be on their property, if it would be bad PR for them to host you because you're considered a convention for sexual deviants and child molesters...well...they aren't going to host you. They figure that they'll lose less revenue from cancelling your reservation than they would from people boycotting the hotel for "supporting sick freaks". You see.

And the media cares about whatever sells newspapers or online subscriptions or provides viewership to their networks. If it's controversial, it'll sell.

The crux of your argument is the assumption that people care enough about furry to start a ruckus over a furry convention and coerce a host establishment to refuse service.

Furry being composed of sick fucks and pedophiles has been a common perception on the internet ever since the internet was the internet and yet despite the fact that furry has been a thing since before I was born I have seen virtually no media penetration. Bronies get more press than furries ever have and the scene hasn't even been around for a year.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Unfortunately, that isn't always true. Hotels have public perception that they have to deal with as well. It doesn't matter how well behaved you may be on their property, if it would be bad PR for them to host you because you're considered a convention for sexual deviants and child molesters...well...they aren't going to host you. They figure that they'll lose less revenue from cancelling your reservation than they would from people boycotting the hotel for "supporting sick freaks". You see.

And the media cares about whatever sells newspapers or online subscriptions or provides viewership to their networks. If it's controversial, it'll sell.



It absolutely can happen. It's a judgement call made on the part of the business. If the business decides they're willing to risk the negative press, they'll keep the booking. If they decide it's bad for business, they'll cancel it. It's just the way it works.

As for restaurants, it's rare for people to be refused service, but most restaurants to reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Again, it comes down to a judgement call: is it worth it refuse service? Most people would focus on the host of the convention, not necessarily the restaurants serving food to whomever.

Pittsburgh doesn't care as long as the convention doesn't set fire to their city because there are worse things to worry about than a bunch of people wearing costumes and tails.
I've been to Anthocon several times and the people either don't care or really happy you are there to give them money.
 
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Symlus

Sophisticated Snake
Fixed. Ignore post.
 
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Fox_720B

Has left FAF, at least for now
The crux of your argument is the assumption that people care enough about furry to start a ruckus over a furry convention and coerce a host establishment to refuse service.

My argument is that it certainly can happen. All it takes is one large media firestorm event to set people off. Anthrocon has been protested before. Sure, they weren't large protests, but they were there. You're right that Furry isn't receiving as much attention as the Brony thing, at least right now. but that doesn't mean it'll always be that way. All it takes is one dude in a fursuit to get the bright idea to try to touch a child the wrong way inside one for all the rest of us to be considered just as dangerous. You underestimate the power of the media mixed with American paranoia.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
My argument is that it certainly can happen. All it takes is one large media firestorm event to set people off. Anthrocon has been protested before. Sure, they weren't large protests, but they were there. You're right that Furry isn't receiving as much attention as the Brony thing, at least right now. but that doesn't mean it'll always be that way. All it takes is one dude in a fursuit to get the bright idea to try to touch a child the wrong way inside one for all the rest of us to be considered just as dangerous. You underestimate the power of the media mixed with American paranoia.

You mean that public spectacle with 3 /b/tards showing up and making an ass of themselves?
I wouldn't call that a protest.
 

burakki

Member
I'm a little late to this party, but i honestly don't know what to think. I hear both sides so many times, it's nearly impossible for me to discern who he really is without actually meeting him first. I've watched all those convention videos/panels/etc, and he does seem nice, but is it really all a facade?
 

Zaraphayx

Banned
Banned
My argument is that it certainly can happen. All it takes is one large media firestorm event to set people off. Anthrocon has been protested before. Sure, they weren't large protests, but they were there. You're right that Furry isn't receiving as much attention as the Brony thing, at least right now. but that doesn't mean it'll always be that way. All it takes is one dude in a fursuit to get the bright idea to try to touch a child the wrong way inside one for all the rest of us to be considered just as dangerous. You underestimate the power of the media mixed with American paranoia.

No, I have a very realistic grasp of how paranoid people can be.

The furries who think that the Furolocaust is just one kiddy-diddler away serve as a great example.
 

TreacleFox

dem murrs
I'm a little late to this party, but i honestly don't know what to think. I hear both sides so many times, it's nearly impossible for me to discern who he really is without actually meeting him first. I've watched all those convention videos/panels/etc, and he does seem nice, but is it really all a facade?

He is a good person, I have met him before. I really don't know what problems anyone could have with him. :<
 

Fox_720B

Has left FAF, at least for now
No, I have a very realistic grasp of how paranoid people can be.

The furries who think that the Furolocaust is just one kiddy-diddler away serve as a great example.


I don't think it would be the furlocaust, but it would certainly damage us in such a way that the potential for massive media attention for a period of time would be high, and that in turn could lead to some cancelled events. I am not saying, nor did I ever say, that it would happen, but that it can happen. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I also don't want to paint a "sky is falling picture" with my argument. I'm not.

But being careful about what you portray to the media is wise because this is a fandom that is very easily misunderstood. and on that, I'm backing up Vukasin's point earlier.
 

Zaraphayx

Banned
Banned
I don't think it would be the furlocaust, but it would certainly damage us in such a way that the potential for massive media attention for a period of time would be high, and that in turn could lead to some cancelled events. I am not saying, nor did I ever say, that it would happen, but that it can happen. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I also don't want to paint a "sky is falling picture" with my argument. I'm not.

But being careful about what you portray to the media is wise because this is a fandom that is very easily misunderstood. and on that, I'm backing up Vukasin's point earlier.

Being careful about how you portray yourself and whitewashing the fandom for political purposes aren't even close to the same thing.

I have never heard of anyone at a con proudly proclaiming his love for dog cocks to news sources; so when well-known members of the fandom use their clout to promote the idea that the sexuality that undeniably exists within furry is shameful and we must all do our best to hide it it's no longer about protecting your image (because it was never really in danger), it's all about trying to portray the fandom as something it isn't.

It also implies that sexuality in and of itself is shameful, and goodness knows we need more sexual taboos in a society so backwards that violence is prime-time television and human sexuality is x-rated.
 

Ricky

Well-Known Member
My argument is that it certainly can happen. All it takes is one large media firestorm event to set people off. Anthrocon has been protested before. Sure, they weren't large protests, but they were there. You're right that Furry isn't receiving as much attention as the Brony thing, at least right now. but that doesn't mean it'll always be that way. All it takes is one dude in a fursuit to get the bright idea to try to touch a child the wrong way inside one for all the rest of us to be considered just as dangerous. You underestimate the power of the media mixed with American paranoia.

You are being paranoid. Sex is normal and aside from a few "wtf's" nobody will care as long as people aren't having sex in open hotel space.
 

Azure

100% organic vegan hubbas
Every convention ever is p much people getting drunk and having sex. Food, technology, furries, all of them gather in hotels year round, get drunk, and fuck. The only difference is that everyone but fandoms are doing business as well. People aren't all OH NOEZ SEX IS HAPPENING, they are more OH NOEZ MEN WEARING DIAPERS AND CHIPMUNK HEADS ARE WALKING AROUND HOLDING HANDS THOSE FAGS! But do what you want because fuck those people.
 

Mentova

I live, I die, I live again
Every convention ever is p much people getting drunk and having sex. Food, technology, furries, all of them gather in hotels year round, get drunk, and fuck. The only difference is that everyone but fandoms are doing business as well. People aren't all OH NOEZ SEX IS HAPPENING, they are more OH NOEZ MEN WEARING DIAPERS AND CHIPMUNK HEADS ARE WALKING AROUND HOLDING HANDS THOSE FAGS! But do what you want because fuck those people.

Man I must be going to the wrong cons then. I only do the first part. :C
 

Azure

100% organic vegan hubbas
Man I must be going to the wrong cons then. I only do the first part. :C
Then you are doin it wrong. I will come to a con and have arbitrary meaningless drunk sex with you :v

Or you could, ya know, get some game :v
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Man I must be going to the wrong cons then. I only do the first part. :C

If you want a sex party, post your number on the bulletin board next to the Zoo at AC this year. Make sure you say that you are looking for a good time.
 

Mentova

I live, I die, I live again
Then you are doin it wrong. I will come to a con and have arbitrary meaningless drunk sex with you :v

Or you could, ya know, get some game :v
Ok!
If you want a sex party, post your number on the bulletin board next to the Zoo at AC this year. Make sure you say that you are looking for a good time.
Jash actually did that with my number one year when I wasn't at the con and I got woken up by some furry wanted to fuck me. :V
 

Batty Krueger

DJ Nailbunny
If you want a sex party, post your number on the bulletin board next to the Zoo at AC this year. Make sure you say that you are looking for a good time.
I can smell the yiff now...excuse me while I vomit.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Ok!

Jash actually did that with my number one year when I wasn't at the con and I got woken up by some furry wanted to fuck me. :V

...Oh, I remember that...vaguely. That was before Trp and I met you IRL. :V
Wasn't that at 3-5 AM?
 
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