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Underage-looking furry things still legal

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Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
I don't think the argument being laid out here is about human sexuality, but rather a court ruling about comments could affect the site, so please stick on topic and stop making those comparisons, and stick to the outline

It has to be looked into whether or not FA is LIABLE for the comments about wanting child porn.

So stick to points about:

FA's liability about user comments
Whether or not those comments are about wanting to commit actual illegal acts on children are about actual children, or rather human children.
 

CubbyNishka

Mews Hewwo
this is confusing I don't like aguements so I guess I will say what ever happen happens But how can looking at a drawn cub be illegal ?
 

Janglur

Active Member
It's not illegal. What is illegal is the requesting of or condoning of, real pornography of real people, or artwork depicting real people, who are underage.


In other words, if someone says 'I want pedoporn' in a manner that would appear obvious, then they are comitting an act parralel to actually making, or having, underage pornography.

Basically:
Before: You can want it and ask for it, you just can't have it.
After: You can't ask for it or have it.
 

Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
Time to stick my 2 cents in, personaly i see "cub art" as just that, not real, not aimed at trying to depict reality, but as fiction, hell ive seen Hentai with kids in it, and as far as i am aware, that is not illegal.

If people can't tell the difference between reality and fictional drawings then to me they have mental issues.
 

Janglur

Active Member
Nothing, as long as cool heads prevail.
 

AlexInsane

I does what I says on the box.
Time to stick my 2 cents in, personaly i see "cub art" as just that, not real, not aimed at trying to depict reality, but as fiction, hell ive seen Hentai with kids in it, and as far as i am aware, that is not illegal.

If people can't tell the difference between reality and fictional drawings then to me they have mental issues.

It is irrelevant if cub porn is "real" or not, because as it exists, it's already plenty real.

Child pornography, whether it's art or photographs, is illegal. Children should not be included in anything sexually related, anything at all. I see no difference between cub art and child porn, except the fact that cub art is just stapling an animal coat onto a child and calling it "furry". The intent is the same, the idea is the same, the perversion is the same.

And in any case, it would be by far better for FA to err on the side of caution and outlaw it. If the wellbeing of the site has to come at the price of pissing off a select group of people, then by all means do it and do it with haste.
 

Aurali

Banned
Banned
I see this topic streaming this way.

"I Don't like it. So I'm gonna say BAN IT! Just to be safe of course."
"I DO like it. So I'm gonna say Keep it! The law is to vague to get us."
"I don't care. I'm gonna go paw now."
 

Furthlingam

Master of Exegesis
It is irrelevant if cub porn is "real" or not, because as it exists, it's already plenty real.

... I see no difference between cub art and child porn, except the fact that cub art is just stapling an animal coat onto a child and calling it "furry". The intent is the same, the idea is the same, the perversion is the same.

And in any case, it would be by far better for FA to err on the side of caution and outlaw it. If the wellbeing of the site has to come at the price of pissing off a select group of people, then by all means do it and do it with haste.

Yes. How I loathe people playing that word game. Children are: pre- and peri-pubescent persons. Cubs in cub art are, with crystal clarity, persons and pre- or peri-pubescent. Cub porn is child porn. The distinction in the law between depictions of fictional vs actual children, and the inaccurate adoption of the term "child porn" to refer exclusively to child porn that depicts actual children, hasn't anything to do with the whole absurd "they're animals!" flailing about.

Also agree about pissing off the minority, but that's up to FA, not me.

Child pornography, whether it's art or photographs, is illegal. Children should not be included in anything sexually related, anything at all.

On this though, I'm not confident you're right about the current state of the law. Re: what *should* be the law, I agree. Rather than say "included," it's well to say "depicted," to avoid the idiot word game.
 

Furthlingam

Master of Exegesis
I see this topic streaming this way.

"I Don't like it. So I'm gonna say BAN IT! Just to be safe of course."
"I DO like it. So I'm gonna say Keep it! The law is to vague to get us."
"I don't care. I'm gonna go paw now."


Allow me to broaden, then:

"Its distribution leads to sexual predation on children. Legal or not, ban it."
 

Furthlingam

Master of Exegesis
:3 my post. but without the legal recourse.

It's an opinion. With vague points.

No. It's your post that reduces things to vague points, straw-manning real objections, both pragmatic/legal, and ethical, into mere matters of personal taste-- what one "likes."

Every assertion, including whether the sun will come up tomorrow morning, is an opinion. But some opinions are more significant than a simple matter of personal taste.
 

Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
Then does that make trolls correct when they call us zoopiles for liking anthro's?, after all we do like animals with human characteristics, IF we go by your theory that there is no difference between a child and a cub then some might aswell say there is no difference between anthros and animales except that one walks on two legs the other walks on four.

Like i said before, if people can not get the difference between what is clearly fictional, and to what is clearly a real photo and if they insist to then prey on RL children, then they have a fucked up head. I play many violent video games but i have never felt like going out and blowing someones head off their shoulders just cause ive seen it in a movie or a game ive played to me thats just bullshit.
 
if you do not like it do not look at it. if you do like it and you are not harming anyone? jerkint it till your junk falls off for all i care. yall need to stop bitching about if its legal or not and stop and take time to really worry about REAL pedos who are fucking little boys and girls RIGHT NOW! instead of causeing a debate on weather a prepubesant FURRY is legal or not.

if someone wants to make a diffrance then you need to attack the real sex offenders not someone who saw a pic and safely wanked it by themselves to get it out of there system THIS IS HEALTHY. many many people have odd kinks and things they fantasize about. sometimes people worry and ask themselves why they fantasize about fucking a tree or a rock with tits maybe some cub porn? hell we got jello furs out there and other stuff just to SHOW how wide the range of kinks are.

as i said before just because its a kink someone has dose not make it wrong, it is only wrong if they take that extra step and start fucking children which is illegal.

you cannot stop a persons kinks or what they fantasize about in the safe haven of there own home and if you are trying to.. you need to realise your place on the net. your just like them your just like me and everyone else. we are here to do stuff we enjoy in our free time.. you cant slap legal shit on that unless they are harming someone.
and people who like cub porn are harming no one.

bitch about real pedos who drool over children not a picture someone drew.
 

Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
Basicaly i do not believe that any sane person would see either something violent, be it on TV or in a game, or even along the lines of porn, and be inclined to go do it irl. people who see things like that then do such things to me have severe mental issues in the first place.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Closing topic due to the fact I specifically stated to stick to the way the LAW will affect FA, not bring in the cub debate again.

For a lot of typing, you guys could take some time to read instead of engaging in recycled arguments.
 
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