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[Rassah]

So, uh, how does this support your argument that it's done because women like it wvhen just as many women like it as not?

Because if 50% of the women like it, then there are women who like it?

Rassah had stated (incorrectly mind you) that girls prefer cut which is why cuts are popular.

One of the reasons they are popular, yes. I and others have mentioned other reasons as well. Seriously, why are you so defensive about it? Do you believe that no women in America ever circumcise their sons just because they think it looks better? Do you believe there are no women in America who think uncut dicks look gross?

 

[Mr. Sparta]

Seriously, why are you [Aleu] so defensive about it?

Obviously you just forgot to keep some thoughts to yourself.

 

[Aleu]

Because if 50% of the women like it, then there are women who like it?



One of the reasons they are popular, yes. I and others have mentioned other reasons as well. Seriously, why are you so defensive about it? Do you believe that no women in America ever circumcise their sons just because they think it looks better? Do you believe there are no women in America who think uncut dicks look gross?

Correction: 50% of those polled. I highly doubt that 50% of 3.5bil-ish of women took a poll.

I just don't appreciate being generalized. That, just because I'm a female I MUST prefer cut and of course nevermind any of the other reasons why people have their sons' penises cut. Obviously it MUST be because women prefer them cut.

 

[Falafox]

Jesus Christ, 2 pages of pure gender argumentation, take it to private, it is starting to get awkward.

 

[Jashwa]

Because if 50% of the women like it, then there are women who like it?

But that's not a majority. Why would doctors cut dicks because there's a 50/50 chance the girl would like it when there's already a 50/50 chance the girl will like it.

They do it simply because it's tradition and "that's the way things are" for I'd guess at least 50% of the people who do it and probably mostly misled "health reasons" for a large chunk of the rest.

 

[BigwiggingAround]

They do it simply because it's tradition and "that's the way things are" for I'd guess at least 50% of the people who do it and probably mostly misled "health reasons" for a large chunk of the rest.

I agree. My parents had me and my older brother circumcised for this reason. They said it just seemed like the "normal thing to do" when they were given the option. Later they realized it really served no purpose so they didn't have it done to my brothers after me (I have a big family).

 

[Misomie]

But that's not a majority. Why would doctors cut dicks because there's a 50/50 chance the girl would like it when there's already a 50/50 chance the girl will like it. They do it simply because it's tradition and "that's the way things are" for I'd guess at least 50% of the people who do it and probably mostly misled "health reasons" for a large chunk of the rest.

Agreed. Ug. My boyfriend and his mom as so freaking pro-circumsision it's ridiculous. However they fall under the category that it's filthy and ugly and ignore the facts. It's infuriating and not worth my time discussing with them anymore. :/

 

[Mr. Sparta]

Is it possible to re-attatch foreskin? If it became quick and easy to uncircumsize someone (i.e. grow a new foreskin in a lab and stitch it on) then you don't need to worry about female preference in penis.

 

[Rassah]

Obviously you just forgot to keep some thoughts to yourself.

I must have missed the purpose of this thread XD

I just don't appreciate being generalized.

Nobody is generalizing. I'm sorry if you took it that way. I even apologized for my original post making it sound as if I did.

Is it possible to re-attatch foreskin? If it became quick and easy to uncircumsize someone (i.e. grow a new foreskin in a lab and stitch it on) then you don't need to worry about female preference in penis.

Not really. There's a whole ton of sensitive nerve endings there that don't exist anywhere else, so it's not just something you can regrow from some other part of your body :/

 

[funky3000]

Is it possible to re-attatch foreskin? If it became quick and easy to uncircumsize someone (i.e. grow a new foreskin in a lab and stitch it on) then you don't need to worry about female preference in penis.

Clip on via magnet?

 

[Misomie]

Is it possible to re-attatch foreskin? If it became quick and easy to uncircumsize someone (i.e. grow a new foreskin in a lab and stitch it on) then you don't need to worry about female preference in penis.

Yes. However it's just for looks. It no longer has the sensitive nerves as those were hacked off as a baby. It protects the head at least (I think) so sensitivity in it will increase. However I don't think it'd produce sebum (sp?) anymore. It's nothing compared to being intact. For example, the nerve endings in the foreskin are similar to those on the palm of the hand. The feeling on a circumcised is similar to the back of the hand while uncircumcised is the palm. Lightly run your fingers over the surfaces and compare. Circumcision is so cruel. :/

 

[FenrirDarkWolf]

Yes. However it's just for looks. It no longer has the sensitive nerves as those were hacked off as a baby. It protects the head at least (I think) so sensitivity in it will increase. However I don't think it'd produce sebum (sp?) anymore. It's nothing compared to being intact. For example, the nerve endings in the foreskin are similar to those on the palm of the hand. The feeling on a circumcised is similar to the back of the hand while uncircumcised is the palm. Lightly run your fingers over the surfaces and compare. Circumcision is so cruel. :/

It's a long process, and, despite really only giving the look, and, somewhat the feel, I will do it.
But, as I stated before, it's a LONG process, anywhere from a few months to years on end.

 

[RedLeFrench]

I didn't know that that was a popular thing. The more you know...

 

[Batty Krueger]

Its a jewish tradition that started the circumcision, so if you're circumcised you cant eat pork or seafood.

 

[RedLeFrench]

Its a jewish tradition that started the circumcision, so if you're circumcised you cant eat pork or seafood.

I knew about the jewish tradition, but not about the fact it was a widely spread thing in the US. Kinda weird.

 

[sniperfreak223]

three pages later and still talking circumcisions...damn does the straight dude feel out of place. Once again,in America it goes back to Victorian times as a means to prevent masturbation. Gotta love the Victorians for shit like that...but now it's become status quo in the US, to the point that uncut men get concerned that it'll scare/turn off ladies, but like I said, I've yet to hear any complaints.

 

[Batty Krueger]

I knew about the jewish tradition, but not about the fact it was a widely spread thing in the US. Kinda weird.

Its Murica'. Circumcision is the least of our worries when it comes to weirdness.

 

[RedLeFrench]

I wish one day I get a better paid job in the industry so that I can experience all of the craziness first-hand

 

[Aleu]

I must have missed the purpose of this thread XD



Nobody is generalizing. I'm sorry if you took it that way. I even apologized for my original post making it sound as if I did.

Oh yes, you were generalizing.
If I said "Dogs go to heaven" then that includes all dogs, because if they are a dog then it goes to heaven. That is generalizing. I don't need to say "All dogs go to heaven" for it to be a generalized statement.

If you had apologized, you wouldn't feel the need to be so defensive and attack me for being offended and proceeded to use snark at me.

Its a jewish tradition that started the circumcision, so if you're circumcised you cant eat pork or seafood.

Not really as most people in america are christians. They got the idea from the jews then docs tried to justify it with science.

Though oddly enough, christians reject science when it comes to other things.

 

[Fallowfox]

"Polls are not good indicators. There is the sample size, the population asked, which sexes were asked, honesty of answerers, the way the question was asked, the options provided for answers, timing of the question, if guys were cut/un-cut, if gals had experience with one or the other or both, ect. Polling is in no way accurate unless everybody was polled. Even then, you'll have people that lie and those without experience to muddle up your answers." -Misomie

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. Rassah had stated (incorrectly mind you) that girls prefer cut which is why cuts are popular. If you're pissing and moaning that's off topic then I highly suggest you never correct anyone ever.

This is the problem. Whatever you're polling for, this is a fallacy. I'm actually inclined to agree with your initial response, but your way of deriving it is not valid.

Polls can and often are accurate representations of the general populace without the requirement that 'everybody must be polled'. The poll in question may not have been for numerous reasons- and even if it were accurate I would consider its relevance low, but your criticism that 'it's not accurate because not everyone was asked' demonstrates the understanding of statistical significance of a third grader.

Is it possible to re-attach foreskin? If it became quick and easy to uncircumsize someone (i.e. grow a new foreskin in a lab and stitch it on) then you don't need to worry about female preference in penis.

No, some people will say 'yes but', but the specific question of re-attachment is definitively no and the case of surgical alteration to create a fake foreskin is not comparable to 'reversing' circumcision.

 

[Aleu]

If it's a general statement such as "all X does Y" then YES everyone needs to be polled.

 

[Fallowfox]

If it's a general statement such as "all X does Y" then YES everyone needs to be polled.

You're taking the statement too literally. If I say 'conservative politicians didn't support the gay marriage bill in the UK,' for instance.

I want to convey 3conclusions

-that small sample sizes can be representative.

-that it was self evident that 'not all' women supported circmucision for the reasons provided because women had already commented to that effect before the claim emerged.

-that even if a great many women did hold such draconian views, parental veto is where the ultimate fault lies.


Similar claims were propagated in this thread such as 'men want their kids to look like them' and we did not have to seek clarification that this didn't represent all men. It was pretty clear why, and the same held true for women.

 

[Misomie]

This is the problem. Whatever you're polling for, this is a fallacy. I'm actually inclined to agree with your initial response, but your way of deriving it is not valid.

Polls can and often are accurate representations of the general populace without the requirement that 'everybody must be polled'. The poll in question may not have been for numerous reasons- and even if it were accurate I would consider its relevance low, but your criticism that 'it's not accurate because not everyone was asked' demonstrates the understanding of statistical significance of a third grader.

Don't compare me to a third grader just to prove a point. I've taken several lessons on polling in my AP Government and AP English classes as we often were given them as an option for supporting essays and research papers. However, we had to be very careful about using them because they aren't accurate nor precise. Sure they'll give you a general answer for the general public. However you must ask yourself, who is this general public? Polls, even when taking random participants, are going to have varied results depending on location taken. One location is going to have a different norm than the other. If you're trying to use this poll to validate a different location....

Here's an example of a simple poll: Do you like Apples? Yes or no.
I can answer it in any number of ways:
- Yes because I consume them a lot
- No because they're sticky
- Yes because they taste good
- No because they leave you feeling hungrier
- No because I'm alergic
- No because I might have just bitten into a waxed/rotten apple
- Yes because I just read a study on their benefits
- No because I just read a study on their acid
- Yes/No because I hate polls
- Yes because I want to fit in but I really don't like them
- No because liking apples is too mainstream
- No because screw polls, that's what

Times that by your sample size and you're left with a mess, not to mention data from people lacking in experience. Sure it might be generalized but it's not accurate. Polling is only accurate when you know you're getting truthful answers from small sample sizes (the small sizes such as a classroom) that'll only apply to that group. Class A and C might love apples while Class B hates them. Generalizing this data to say that the school must love apples is inaccurate and wrong.

If you have the option for a different source, use it, not the poll. I know you agree with it's low relevance but they shouldn't be used to represent stuff.

 

[Fallowfox]

Actually the comment was directed at Aleu. I agree polls can be unreliable, but the fact that the sample size is 'less than 100% of the populace' is not a valid reason to express this.

it is like saying 'in the winter it is cold because the sun goes to sleep'. The conclusion is correct, the reason is bullshit.

 

[Misomie]

Ah, sorry. I wasn't reading that closely and took it as an attack on me because I thought you quoted me. And you know how that often works out. XP

Mine was used more as a claiming-polling-to-be-accurate-is-ridiculous-as-heck kinda thing. The other reasons I stated before that sentence are the real reason. However if you want precision 100% is the way to go. Actually, why are you even using a poll if you want precision and accuracy? I mean seriously? You don't often know where those pollers came from (such as asking about abortion in the bible belt will not give you a general USA representation but that's how polls tend to work anyways).