Upon the touchy subject of furries and real fur.

[Zrcalo]

I don't really agree with this statement. I don't think anything evolved to be prey, at least not without some human guidance. There is no advantage to the animal in being highly edible.

On topic though, I'm against fur. I don't see why it would be needed. The argument about real fur being warmer than fake fur might be true, but fur is not the only warm material we have. I have some very warm clothes that are made out of a mix of cotton and synthetic fibres. There are many easier to clean and less costly (assuming you're buying the finished product, not hunting) alternatives out there.

For the most part I don't buy the animal control angle either, because the majority of people that hunt are not ecological experts. They are as likely to be throwing the balance off as they are helping it.

you are an idiot.

it's the fish and game service that regulates what hunters can and cannot shoot. it's not like "lol I have a hunter license lemme shoot whatev." you have to put your name in for a specific animal, and if you're drawn, you get to shoot it. and only certain ones too. not too old or not too young and the right gender.

people wear furs because they are dead animals. period. that's the only reason why now.

rabbits evolved to reproduce quickly. if they didnt evolve to be prey items they would overrun the world today. like humans. only, we didnt evolve into prey items.

you are an idiot.
I'll bet you've never been close to a wild animal.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

you are an idiot.

it's the fish and game service that regulates what hunters can and cannot shoot. it's not like "lol I have a hunter license lemme shoot whatev." you have to put your name in for a specific animal, and if you're drawn, you get to shoot it. and only certain ones too. not too old or not too young and the right gender.

people wear furs because they are dead animals. period. that's the only reason why now.

rabbits evolved to reproduce quickly. if they didnt evolve to be prey items they would overrun the world today. like humans. only, we didnt evolve into prey items.

you are an idiot.
I'll bet you've never been close to a wild animal.

This. Thanks, Z

 

[Zrcalo]

This. Thanks, Z

X3 no prob.

 

[Randy-Darkshade]

If you lived near me Zrcalo, I could easily obtain rabbits for you to skin/stuff. Mom is a housekeeper on a farm, and one of the guys there has shot 500 rabbits since the beginning of summer. That is on and directly around the farm itself, not counting all the fields and stuff. Problem is alot of them are carrying that mixy, mitsy, micksy whatever it is disease, I know how the word sounds but no idea how to spell it.

 

[Zrcalo]

If you lived near me Zrcalo, I could easily obtain rabbits for you to skin/stuff. Mom is a housekeeper on a farm, and one of the guys there has shot 500 rabbits since the beginning of summer. That is on and directly around the farm itself, not counting all the fields and stuff. Problem is alot of them are carrying that mixy, mitsy, micksy whatever it is disease, I know how the word sounds but no idea how to spell it.

@_@ evidently you live in england, and I live in arizona.
I'd still love to have the rabbits though, but I'd have no idea how they'd pass customs.
not sure what that disease is either. mites? mange?

 

[Randy-Darkshade]

@_@ evidently you live in england, and I live in arizona.
I'd still love to have the rabbits though, but I'd have no idea how they'd pass customs.
not sure what that disease is either. mites? mange?

Good old wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixamatosis

It is a nasty disease to a rabbit. I think that is why I found one that had dropped dead by my shed outside in the space of 10 minutes of me leaving the shed and returning.

 

[Zrcalo]

Good old wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixamatosis

It is a nasty disease to a rabbit. I think that is why I found one that had dropped dead by my shed outside in the space of 10 minutes of me leaving the shed and returning.

yeaaah. we dont have the disease here... and I'd probably be sent to prison for having infected rabbit carcasses.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis

It is a nasty disease to a rabbit.

It's also a really cool song

 

[Ratte]

I could have bought a fox pelt coat.

I should have, even.

HAHA FURRIES.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

I could have bought a fox pelt coat.

I should have, even.

Do you even have that kind of money? :V

Semi-related: My sister used to have a winter coat with fox fur on the hood when we were kids. It was bought for me, but the thing was too small, so I gave it to her. Really nice coat, though.

 

[wendyw]

you are an idiot.

it's the fish and game service that regulates what hunters can and cannot shoot. it's not like "lol I have a hunter license lemme shoot whatev." you have to put your name in for a specific animal, and if you're drawn, you get to shoot it. and only certain ones too. not too old or not too young and the right gender.

As I said before. Not everybody here is in the US. Different laws apply in different countries or did you not catch my point on that?

you are an idiot.
I'll bet you've never been close to a wild animal.

You bet wrong.
I used to live in a house directly next to a large are of woodland so I've had badgers, deer and foxes roaming directly by my house and I used to be part of a group that looked after a local nature reserve.

On the rabbit issue. Yes rabbits evolved to reproduce in large numbers. I never said anything differently. However my argument is that they did not evolve to be prey. They are prey to many species.

Species that reproduce in high numbers tend to have mortality rates, but this is as a response to being preyed upon, as only the members of the species that do reproduce in large numbers pass on their DNA to following generations. In area with few or no predators this would be much less likely to happen.

This doesn't mean that they "evolved to be prey". They evolved to survive as a species in ways that were dictated by the fact they were prey.

The only goal of evolution is survival.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

As I said before. Not everybody here is in the US. Different laws apply in different countries or did you not catch my point on that?

First-world countries regulate hunting and fishing. Third-world countries have bigger problems to worry about. You lose.

 

[Randy-Darkshade]

First-world countries regulate hunting and fishing. Third-world countries have bigger problems to worry about. You lose.

Aye, I doubt laws on hunting would vary that much in first world countries, apart from to cater for the native species to each country. I am not familiar with hunting over here, I have never been hunting.

 

[wendyw]

First-world countries regulate hunting and fishing. Third-world countries have bigger problems to worry about. You lose.

The UK has some lax laws regulating hunting that do not limit the numbers that can be hunted on many species. There are laws that regulate times of the year and some species are protected however.

I don't know the laws on hunting in every western country, but I seriously doubt you do either.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

The UK has some lax laws regulating hunting that do not limit the numbers that can be hunted on many species.

The UK is run by incompetent and probably inbred morons who think cartoon children are real, so that doesn't really surprise me.

I don't know the laws on hunting in every western country, but I seriously doubt you do either.

You don't seem to know the laws on hunting in any country but the UK, so I'd say I still know more about the subject than you do.

 

[wendyw]

The UK is run by incompetent and probably inbred morons who think cartoon children are real, so that doesn't really surprise me.

Whatever the hell you think about our government that doesn't take away from the fact that the regulations you assumed existed here don't. So, if you're wrong about the UK how many other countries might you be wrong about?

Also, this whole thing is fucking rediculous. I disagreed with you on your take on evolutionary cause and effect and you threw a hissy fit at me. Seriously, grow up. If you can get through a single post to me without being an insulting prick I will continue. In fact, anybody that isn't being an insulting prick can ask me any question on the subject and I will answer it to the best of my abilities, but what you want is a slagging match and you're not going to get one from me, because I don't care about this conversation as much as you seem to do.

Find one of the PETA fans on here to go flame.
I'll stick to talking to people who can discuss this civilly and try using logic instead of insults.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

Whatever the hell you think about our government that doesn't take away from the fact that the regulations you assumed existed here don't. So, if you're wrong about the UK how many other countries might you be wrong about?

Not that many. Your country is pretty obviously fifty years behind the rest of Western civilization when it comes to political maturity; you didn't give up imperialism until around 1950, you're still on your "OMG EVERYTHING IS DANEJROUS PR0NZ!!!11!1" phase, and the citizens, by and large, simply don't give a fuck about anything.

Besides that, well...there are many more countries than just the UK, you know.

 

[Randy-Darkshade]

The UK is run by incompetent and probably inbred morons who think cartoon children are real, so that doesn't really surprise me.


You don't seem to know the laws on hunting in any country but the UK, so I'd say I still know more about the subject than you do.

Why would anyone want to know the laws of hunting in a country they don't live in?

And the only thing I can think of that is limited is fishing, or to be more precise, fishing for cod.

She is right about there being basically no limit on the number of kills during a hunt here. Rabbits are considered a pest here, especially to farmers, hence why farmers are very often out shooting them, that and there is so many fucking rabbits round here you wouldn't believe it.

The only limit really is on what species you are permitted to hunt, and when you can hunt them. And no, the government is not dumb when it comes to hunting here, they just do not need to limit the number of kills, the numbers of hunted species in the wild are fine, and hunting is not that popular over here anyway.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

Why would anyone want to know the laws of hunting in a country they don't live in?

Well, to make herself look like less of a dumbass, of course. If you're going to argue about laws in only your country of residence, don't you think it's wiser to only specify that country as the scope of your argument's basis?

Likewise, if you're going to argue about the laws in most countries or an unspecified one, wouldn't it be wise to do the research first?

She is right about there being basically no limit on the number of kills during a hunt here. Rabbits are considered a pest here, especially to farmers, hence why farmers are very often out shooting them, that and there is so many fucking rabbits round here you wouldn't believe it.

Rabbits are rightly considered a pest species, so I really don't know what that bitch is complaining about :V

The only limit really is on what species you are permitted to hunt, and when you can hunt them. And no, the government is not dumb when it comes to hunting here, they just do not need to limit the number of kills, the numbers of hunted species in the wild are fine, and hunting is not that popular over here anyway.

In that case, I retract that part of my condemnation of them. The rest still applies, of course :V

 

[BulletGutz]

Aslong as an animal dies naturally, I don't personally see the problem. Or if the animal has been bred for meat and its fur/hide is another part of the animal which can be put to use.

 

[Ratte]

Do you even have that kind of money? :V

Semi-related: My sister used to have a winter coat with fox fur on the hood when we were kids. It was bought for me, but the thing was too small, so I gave it to her. Really nice coat, though.

No, I don't.

Fffff

Well

I can't remember the price, but yeah.

Also, yeah, that's gotta be nice. A lot of cheap synthetic fur melts and turns to shit when washed and dried.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

Also, yeah, that's gotta be nice. A lot of cheap synthetic fur melts and turns to shit when washed and dried.

Yeah. Though she had to have it dry-cleaned, I think.

Real fur doesn't melt until you take a soldering iron to it, I imagine--just like hair.

 

[RageDragon]

If you eat meat in any shape form or way you can't bitch about farm raised fur skinning.

 

[Rigor Sardonicus]

If you eat meat in any shape form or way you can't bitch about farm raised fur skinning.

I believe this was said already, but it's still pretty much true.

 

[Randy-Darkshade]

Well, to make herself look like less of a dumbass, of course. If you're going to argue about laws in only your country of residence, don't you think it's wiser to only specify that country as the scope of your argument's basis?

Likewise, if you're going to argue about the laws in most countries or an unspecified one, wouldn't it be wise to do the research first?


Rabbits are rightly considered a pest species, so I really don't know what that bitch is complaining about :V


In that case, I retract that part of my condemnation of them. The rest still applies, of course :V

Indeed, it is sensible to have a knowledge of what ever it is you are arguing/debating about.

As for our government, you are partially correct, they are useless twats. All they do is sit in the house of commons debating and arguing about things and never get anywhere with those arguments......much like how this discussions on teh forums don't go anywhere. However because of the EU (European Union) there are many laws and things standard across Europe, thanks to Brussels.