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Upon the touchy subject of furries and real fur.

fox fur or faux fur? (multiple choice)

  • real fur doesnt really bother me

    Votes: 54 38.6%
  • it is cruel and inhumane

    Votes: 24 17.1%
  • wild hunted is fine

    Votes: 56 40.0%
  • farmed fur is fine

    Votes: 17 12.1%
  • I would never wear it myself but I dont mind other people who have it.

    Votes: 37 26.4%
  • KILL ALL FURRIERS! ARRGHHH! SAVE TEH FLUFFY ANIMALS!

    Votes: 14 10.0%
  • fake fur should only be bought instead of real.

    Votes: 52 37.1%

  • Total voters
    140

Rigor Sardonicus

Banned
Banned
Well, I know that...it's the same name with the two parts switched around. I'm just saying Beej, the writing style of person in question does appear to be rather similar to the other person in question, further making it appear that for some obscure reason that horror of a costume maker is back on FA again...or at least FAF.
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you on that too.

EDIT: Hey, where did she go?
She probably saw us talking about her and was like "oh shit, busted! D:" :p
 

Panda

Chuu? Cuddles?
I wont do fur farms, I just cant.
Hunting is ok,but there are a few animals whose fur I just couldn't take. Mainly wolves annd such...
 

kittyjess

New Member
>.> From what I read below Rigor is much smarter than you.

Perhaps, well in some areas, I am hardly the jack of all trades and I assure you I wish not to be, for a jack of all trades is a master of none.

I am, however rather well read up on a multitude of subjects, most of I am sure you would not be interested in. Indeed, I may add that I have qualifications in most of that I have an interest in.

Even I got the cartoon remark.

It was not that I did not get said comment, just I had to question on the reason it was mentioned, as it was (in my view) totally irrelevant to the topic.


Rigor is Rigor, nothing will change that.

Perhaps, however I did feel that it was most uncouth, but I suppose its down to a difference of culture.


God an animal rights activists. You wont ever put a stop to fox hunting, so why bother wasting your time? Or do you like spoiling what other people actually like to do? just because YOU have a problem with it YOU want to spoil it for others, I fucking hate people like you. How would you like it if I started protesting against something you liked doing cause I felt it was wrong?

Why is this, is it cos toffs (that I presume you are, since no one else would be supporting this) would over turn it by throwing cash at the people responsible?

As for spoiling peoples fun, I consider it an archaic and inhumane flux sport, supported only by inbred rich humans.

Next point, if you had a problem with what I enjoyed doing, I would welcome you views and try to see you point of view, perhaps if you present you argument well and that I was swayed by it, I would, most likely side with yourself.

Amazingly I am most amicable in real life and unlike most, I am of most open mind and more than willing to see rational points of view other than my own.

Your duty? What are you? gods fucking gift to the planet?

I feel that it the duty of most to campaign to end cruelty and in that case I did so think my actions were justified.

These days, I often find political manipulation (via organised campaigning and other means) to be far more affective, but I will claim not that I wouldn't do it again if situation called for it.

As I said, I claim not to be the tool or gift of any god or goddess nor do I act like it.

One may also had that I also know that I am animal unlike most humans and I also know that humans are hardly the gods that they do think of themselves as.


In which case you are a mistake aswell, you are no better than any other human.

Did I claim otherwise?


Hypocrite.

One must ask, why do you think this?

I stated my views, as I said, if one needs to hunt to survive, I see little wrong with that.


You seriously need some psychiatric help.

On what grounds, may I ask?

Hypocrite again.

Again I do not see how everything that I had said on this subject is, in any part, hypocritical.

I do, however, feel that you do not know of what the term means so please let me provide you with the definition of hypocrisy.

"the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

Humans are most wasteful? Do you know what the major cause of green house gases in the world is? Cows. Pigs. Farting. Shitting.

However, let's say this: How can you be so high and mighty on the subject when you are sitting behind the screen of a monitor that will take thousands of years to biodegrade.

Of the above, one does know, however I wish to ask, who's fault is it that we have so many cows and pigs in the world, would that be humans?

I rest my case on that point, as for the second, sadly due to the society that I was born in to, I have to work, I do this freelance so I do so often as possible recycle, this means that the vast majority of my equipment is mostly recycled, often 3rd hand.

I agree that we need to do more in that area and I did for one of my jobs before going freelance, worked at a company that looked at alternative materials, sadly cost played to much of a factor, so I took my leave.

We are getting a lot of Pseudo-Intellectuals here today. o.o

Also: Calling someone a troll, when they disagree with your opinions is a bad debate tactic. -sips coffee-


Other than that, your misanthropy is laughable.


Like someone else stated, evolution is never a mistake, and nature in itself is never perfect.

Sigh, first off, let me address your first point, I do not classify myself as a high brow intellectual, perhaps I do fit the definition but I find it most out of line to personally self classify as one.

I am well educated but I would say that was all.

As for the troll point, I did not call them a troll for the fact I disagreed with them, but that I found them to be acting in an offensive and troll like manner.

I am so glad I am not the only one who disagreed with what kittyjess said, but I will bet my last cent she won't come back to this thread/forum.

Well here I am!

She's a fucking misanthropic retard.
I hope she does. I have been bored and anxious all day.

Very good, I personally think that I hardly qualify for the title retard.

She needs to take a leaf out of her own book and not be the stereotypical, pompus, I am better than you, ignorant Brit.

Judging by they way she spoke in her post I would bet she is from an "upper class" family, and the "upper class" here tend to be the most ignorant of Brits. What I diss like about the "upper class" the types that drive BMW's and other expensive cars, is the fact that many of them (not all) tend to look down on those worse off than they are, they look down on the poor and consider them "trash" which comes from the way victorians were.

I am pompus? I hardly think I am, though I can see why my language would give that feel to my posts, so in the spirt of making things a bit more informal, I have loosened it up.

Ah now does this make me sound hip and trendy? Most likely not but hey I am willing to try. As for me being upper class, the whole idea of such things amuse me no end.

If you really want to know, I am from British, mine working family, who, managed to buck the trend and make some cash at the house rental game after the Torries forced the pits to close here (in East Durham). I call a spade a spade and have no time for rich gits or people who people who hunt here.

Most of them are toffs, are wasteful and don't care about the environment or, indeed animal rights.

For the record, I am not and have never been a member of PETA nor do I support the vast majority of actions perpetrated by them, I was a member of a local animal rights organisation, that I may add was not affiliated in any form to PETA. I don't know of where that idea came but I assure you that it is far from correct.

As for my car, I drive a early 1993 prototype Rover, hardly the BMW (and for the record, I find BMW's send the wrong impression)

I have had a history of philanthropy, giving what I can whenever I can and I do so take the saying "don't forget your roots" to my heart

And there it is again. "Why can't the English teach the English how to speak?" Surely it hasn't been lost on you that my grammar is far superior to yours.

Oh, I think you will find that my chosen manor of grammar that I use within my normal, slightly archaic text, is quite correct for my style and wording.

Hahahahaha. You live in the UK and don't even know about that?

They passed a law equating lolicon hentai and other such illustrations with actual child pornography involving actual children.

And you called me ignorant? Child, you're just proving my point.

As I have said prior in this post, I know of the law but I knew know of why you mentioned it when you did.

I do understand why the law in question was worded to make lolicon illegal and I am sure we are not the only western nation to make this so, but as I have said before, I do not comment upon laws that I do not intimately know.

Of course you may. May I recommend that you take some English lessons and learn how to use commas correctly?

No you may not, but may I offer to give you the details of my period english tutor?

Oh, so you just admitted you're an eco-terrorist?
Um, sweetie, that fork in your arse means you're done.

I did not claim to be any kind of "terrorist", so please desist from spreading fallacies about me, Thank you =^..^=.


We's gonna have us a good ol' PETAfag-drag!!

YEEHAW!!

See above, Thank you

P.S Had to finish what work I needed to get out the way to keep the business afloat, forgive my lateness
 

Amethyst

Monster Car
Though I'm not a taxidermist I am very interested in it. Unfortunately theres not many dead animals I can pick up that haven't been squashed XD.


I'd use real fur if it was from a sick animal or one that had died natural causes. Fur Farms are a no no for me.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard

The Eco-terrorist has returned. Rejoice.

And yes, you still qualify as a an airhead and lowly articulate, Slippery slopping, contradicting, "Holier-than-Thou" divvy as your posts have summed up in the small time you have been here. Even though you claim to be educated, you are still a divvy otherkin.


If you want, I can send you plaque with your listed titles because I am such a gracious elf. :V
 
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Rigor Sardonicus

Banned
Banned
Perhaps, well in some areas, I am hardly the jack of all trades and I assure you I wish not to be, for a jack of all trades is a master of none.

I am, however rather well read up on a multitude of subjects, most of I am sure you would not be interested in. Indeed, I may add that I have qualifications in most of that I have an interest in.
You're full of shit. In addition to having just contradicted yourself, you pointedly neglected to mention what topics those actually are.

Name the subject, and I'm sure I know more about it than you do.

inbred rich humans.
Such as yourself?

Amazingly I am most amicable in real life and unlike most, I am of most open mind and more than willing to see rational points of view other than my own.
A lunatic never admits he's insane.

I feel that it the duty of most to campaign to end cruelty and in that case I did so think my actions were justified.
Of course you think so. Most people, however, disagree.

One may also had that I also know that I am animal unlike most humans and I also know that humans are hardly the gods that they do think of themselves as.
Hahahaha. You know what, bitch? Send us a picture of yourself. If--and only if--it's a cat typing on a keyboard, we'll stop making fun of you for your otherkin faggotry.

Oh, I think you will find that my chosen manor of grammar that I use within my normal, slightly archaic text, is quite correct for my style and wording.
Child, even King Arthur would say you're illiterate.

As I have said prior in this post, I know of the law but I knew know of why you mentioned it when you did.
Sounds like your problem rather than mine.
I mentioned it to illustrate what kind of stupid laws your parliament passes instead of passing useful ones.

No you may not, but may I offer to give you the details of my period english tutor?
No thanks; I enjoy knowing how to properly form a sentence.

I did not claim to be any kind of "terrorist", so please desist from spreading fallacies about me, Thank you =^..^=.
A terrorist resorts to violence to further a cause. You admitted to doing precisely that on at least one occasion. Spade = spade.
 
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Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
*To much BS*

Did I actually say I supported it? No I did not, I am neither against it nor for it. And I am not a toff I am far from a toff., I don't own a gun I don't go hunting. Infact I dislike fox hunting as there is no point in it. But I do not go around protesting and getting violent with the hunters, as far as I am concerned it is their life, their choice, it is not effecting me directly, foxes are not at risk from extinction, and I have much better things to do in my life and more important things in my own life to worry about which does not include what other people do with their lives.

Violence is no way to solve an issue, in this case animal cruelty.

Do you eat meat? and I actually recall you said earlier that you are ok with hunting for the meat. yet disagree with fur farms, yet it seems to me you are ok with meat farms. I find this a tad hypocritical on the count of both are cruel anyway.

Also what about people that live in extremely cold environments like Alaska, greenland and iceland? I believe a lot of people wear real fur in those regions don't they?

yet if anyone in a warmer country wants to wear a furr animal rights activists seem to get pissy, Double standards?

Now I am going to lay down cause I have a cold and a spli
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
I could have bought a fox pelt coat.

I should have, even.

HAHA FURRIES.

I can sell you an XS womens rabbit fur coat for $25.

I also have this:
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Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
Though I'm not a taxidermist I am very interested in it. Unfortunately theres not many dead animals I can pick up that haven't been squashed XD.


I'd use real fur if it was from a sick animal or one that had died natural causes. Fur Farms are a no no for me.

I think I'll start making taxidermy plushies. so far, my fox has turned out EXCELLENT for its condition. (still has the creepiness vibe)
I think I might do a coyote next. but I need to work on my fursuits. I got another commish last week.
 
Rabbit fur don't bother me at all, like leather, it's a product of the meat industry like leather. OTOH, I'm generally not a fan of fur taken from carnivores, as fur is the only reason why a lot of carnivorous animals are farmed. --If you kill a bear or something like that for food, you are entitled to his fur, but how many people do you know of that eat Fox, Weasel, and varieties of cat?
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Rabbit fur don't bother me at all, like leather, it's a product of the meat industry like leather. OTOH, I'm generally not a fan of fur taken from carnivores, as fur is the only reason why a lot of carnivorous animals are farmed. --If you kill a bear or something like that for food, you are entitled to his fur, but how many people do you know of that eat Fox, Weasel, and varieties of cat?

I know a few who'd eat Fox and weasel.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES

Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
I know a few who'd eat Fox and weasel.

Is it china that eat dogs? or another Asian country? I am pretty sure somewhere in Asia they eat dogs.

Also on the subject of fur and animal cruelty and stuff' mom was telling me today that she had heard on the local news how someone or some people had got hold of someones cat, wrapped it in laundry line, then hung it from a tree, it had struggled so much for I don't know how long the line had cut through it's flesh and into it's side. Sadly vets had no choice but to put it down.
 

Rigor Sardonicus

Banned
Banned
Is it china that eat dogs? or another Asian country? I am pretty sure somewhere in Asia they eat dogs.
Phillipines. Possibly Korea, but I don't remember. China eats cats and rats, and only a small percentage actually eat cats.

Also on the subject of fur and animal cruelty and stuff' mom was telling me today that she had heard on the local news how someone or some people had got hold of someones cat, wrapped it in laundry line, then hung it from a tree, it had struggled so much for I don't know how long the line had cut through it's flesh and into it's side. Sadly vets had no choice but to put it down.
D:
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Also on the subject of fur and animal cruelty and stuff' mom was telling me today that she had heard on the local news how someone or some people had got hold of someones cat, wrapped it in laundry line, then hung it from a tree, it had struggled so much for I don't know how long the line had cut through it's flesh and into it's side. Sadly vets had no choice but to put it down.

Poor cat. D:
 

Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
Phillipines. Possibly Korea, but I don't remember. China eats cats and rats, and only a small percentage actually eat cats.


D:

Yeah, if I despise any form of animal cruelty, it is those that do such things like in my previous post, or those do not know how to look after their "pets".

Unfortunately our world has many people who, well.....are fucked up in the head.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
I know, makes me wanna do the same to the fuckers that did it to the cat.

After working with animals for a period of time and seeing the shit that people have done to their pets, I feel your pain.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
What kind of work did you do?

Volunteered at a Zoo before I worked at a local animal clinic. Working at the Vet was fun, but I hated the people. There were instances where people one of their family members abuse an animal, or a neighbor brought it in if they found it sick. The Bestality patients were the first encounter.
 
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Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
After working with animals for a period of time and seeing the shit that people have done to their pets, I feel your pain.

I would volunteer at an animal shelter if they needed people round here. The nearest animal shelter is a place I did some electrical work at about four years ago now, they take in a variety of animals, both domestic and farm. And I had to enter one of the dog kennels to connect up the mains supply while a dog was also in there, not that I am scared of dogs, cause I'm not, but this little cocker spaniel just wanted to play the whole time I was in there!

Anyway how can anyone be so cruel to an animal?
 
T

Tewin Follow

Guest
Volunteered at a Zoo before I worked at a local animal clinic. Working at the Vet was fun, but I hated the people.

That's really cool.
I didn't know zoos let people help out, because the animals are so valuable/dangerous/whatever, but I know they'd also need as much help as possible.
Veterin...ary people should be nice. They like animals! They've failed as people-people and have turned to the furry alternative.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
That's really cool.
I didn't know zoos let people help out, because the animals are so valuable/dangerous/whatever, but I know they'd also need as much help as possible.
Veterin...ary people should be nice. They like animals! They've failed as people-people and have turned to the furry alternative.

They usually let you help with the more calm animals. As much as I wanted to work with the Tigers, they wouldn't let me. So they stuck me with the farm animals and some of the less lethal reptiles.
 
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