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Frank Gulotta

Send us your floppy
My neighborhood is shit; the apartment building I live in has trashy landlords that'll send goons to break walls in an elderly tenant's apartrment mere days after he passes (also accidentally cutting water in midst heat waves); but they have yet to replace the multiple mailboxes that have been destroyed months ago; also there's ACAB shit smeared all across the walls.
I badly want to move out of the big city, it reeks with pollution and it's infested with obnoxious, barely civilized shitheads. Why on earth do we pay more to live in large trash heaps..?
 

Khione Frostfang

Moody Leopardess - Approach with caution!
Yep, sounds a bit like how it is over here. When my Mother was 18, they told her the only way she'd get a house is to have children. And I shit you not, it's still the same as it is now. Fucking greedy pricks.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
My neighborhood is shit; the apartment building I live in has trashy landlords that'll send goons to break walls in an elderly tenant's apartrment mere days after he passes (also accidentally cutting water in midst heat waves); but they have yet to replace the multiple mailboxes that have been destroyed months ago; also there's ACAB shit smeared all across the walls.
I badly want to move out of the big city, it reeks with pollution and it's infested with obnoxious, barely civilized shitheads. Why on earth do we pay more to live in large trash heaps..?

I prefer the countryside over the big city any day. We do have critters to deal with, and power outages due to wind though. Crime is almost non-existent where I live though.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
It's mostly because I identify as demisexual and I second guess myself all the time - the ideas I have aren't exactly sexual but I still get hung up on the idea that my entire thing is all in my head, if that makes sense.

Although I haven't really discussed it with her @sleepy kitty is someone that I kinda feel like would relate - a few months ago they posted a NSFW piece before promptly taking it down and vowing never to post NSFW content again. In a way it's kinda comforting to know someone else has similar issues. Granted, it was somewhat more explicit than the ideas I've had.
I'm not claiming to be an authority on the ace spectrum at all, but my reasoning around this would basically go like "plenty of ace people still masturbate, so why can't ace people look at porn?" If it's not even sexual or erotic imagery so much as concepts that happen to be incidentally NSFW, then you don't even need that much of a justification. Not saying you're wrong to feel nervous, or that your feelings aren't valid, just... offering a perspective that might work for you to reconcile your identity with having these ideas?

(Also, as an allosexual person, I've drawn plenty of NSFW stuff I'm not even slightly into - the perception that the art people consume must reflect their sexual tastes (or lack thereof) needs to die in a fire. It's harmful and potentially artistically stunts artists who buy into it.)
 

The_biscuits_532

Sneaky rainforest kitty
I'm not claiming to be an authority on the ace spectrum at all, but my reasoning around this would basically go like "plenty of ace people still masturbate, so why can't ace people look at porn?" If it's not even sexual or erotic imagery so much as concepts that happen to be incidentally NSFW, then you don't even need that much of a justification. Not saying you're wrong to feel nervous, or that your feelings aren't valid, just... offering a perspective that might work for you to reconcile your identity with having these ideas?

(Also, as an allosexual person, I've drawn plenty of NSFW stuff I'm not even slightly into - the perception that the art people consume must reflect their sexual tastes (or lack thereof) needs to die in a fire. It's harmful and potentially artistically stunts artists who buy into it.)
Yeah I mean, as I said, I'm fine with viewing NSFW art but my brain just gets hung up on actually making it.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
Just to let you know, most, if not everyone has to or wants to see NSFW. Don't be surprised when many reject it. Do realize that you're making material for someone to get off to, so don't come complaining when society doesn't want to indulge you.
 

The_biscuits_532

Sneaky rainforest kitty
Just to let you know, most, if not everyone has to or wants to see NSFW. Don't be surprised when many reject it. Do realize that you're making material for someone to get off to, so don't come complaining when society doesn't want to indulge you.
I think this is partly why. Just like, the idea of making masturbatory content weirds me out too much.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
Yeah I mean, as I said, I'm fine with viewing NSFW art but my brain just gets hung up on actually making it.
That’s fair. I absolutely get that sometimes your brain will just stick with something that you might intellectually understand isn’t as much of a deal as it feels like it is. You have no obligation to push through that discomfort, I just feel bad for you that it keeps you from realizing ideas that you otherwise like (if I understand you correctly). There’s always the option of getting the art without posting it publicly, but that can in itself be a tricky thing.

If I made you uncomfortable I do apologize; my intent was to offer compassion and support. Your feelings are valid.

Just to let you know, most, if not everyone has to or wants to see NSFW. Don't be surprised when many reject it. Do realize that you're making material for someone to get off to, so don't come complaining when society doesn't want to indulge you.
That’s a very narrow view of NSFW art. It may be making content that people are likely to be getting off to, but that doesn’t mean it was made for the purpose of providing them with maturbatory material. You (gen) are free to jerk off to my art, and I accept that some people probably will, but I sure as hell don’t need or really care to know about it. What you do while (or after) looking at my art is on you and none of my business.

People are welcome to not enjoy a given piece of art, or a given subject matter. What is harmful is for people to assume that someone who drew X is into/gets off on X, or that someone who commissioned Y did so because of a given aspect of Y revs up their engine (and in the worst cases go on to harass them over it). You (gen) assuming that I get off to art I have created or commissioned is frankly rude (and probably incorrect). I seem to recall you protesting quite forcefully when it was suggested in another thread a while back that your interest in giant characters (IIRC) might be kink-related - same principle applies here.

As an example on the tame end I’ve made art of Tails, and I don’t have a whole lot of fucks to give about the Sonic fandom or franchise. I just felt like drawing the character.
 

Frank Gulotta

Send us your floppy
I prefer the countryside over the big city any day. We do have critters to deal with, and power outages due to wind though. Crime is almost non-existent where I live though.
Yeah what's more annoying, raccoons helping themselves to the dumpster or antifa setting it on fire, what a difficult choice
 

sushy

Gundam Meister
Edit: lol I think I replied to a previous post here and didn't see the new ones XD

I am in the Netherlands, housing prices have increased rapidly here. We want to move, but it is just impossible. Living in an apartment makes me miserable, so we would be looking at houses and stuff. But prices for that start from 300K (euro)...

I wish they would build proper houses for normal rates here. It is insane that most people can't afford to rent/buy anymore.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
I think this is partly why. Just like, the idea of making masturbatory content weirds me out too much.

It weirds a lot of people out. And people will get defensive here and clutch their pearls, but I am a telling the truth. We all know sex sells, it's not the issue of porn itself, but you have to realize that it is indeed an addiction. Everyone has their kinks, but I prefer that is in private. Nobody needs to know your personal sex drive unless they're your consenting other.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
That’s fair. I absolutely get that sometimes your brain will just stick with something that you might intellectually understand isn’t as much of a deal as it feels like it is. You have no obligation to push through that discomfort, I just feel bad for you that it keeps you from realizing ideas that you otherwise like (if I understand you correctly). There’s always the option of getting the art without posting it publicly, but that can in itself be a tricky thing.

If I made you uncomfortable I do apologize; my intent was to offer compassion and support. Your feelings are valid.


That’s a very narrow view of NSFW art. It may be making content that people are likely to be getting off to, but that doesn’t mean it was made for the purpose of providing them with maturbatory material. You (gen) are free to jerk off to my art, and I accept that some people probably will, but I sure as hell don’t need or really care to know about it. What you do while (or after) looking at my art is on you and none of my business.

People are welcome to not enjoy a given piece of art, or a given subject matter. What is harmful is for people to assume that someone who drew X is into/gets off on X, or that someone who commissioned Y did so because of a given aspect of Y revs up their engine (and in the worst cases go on to harass them over it). You (gen) assuming that I get off to art I have created or commissioned is frankly rude (and probably incorrect). I seem to recall you protesting quite forcefully when it was suggested in another thread a while back that your interest in giant characters (IIRC) might be kink-related - same principle applies here.

As an example on the tame end I’ve made art of Tails, and I don’t have a whole lot of fucks to give about the Sonic fandom or franchise. I just felt like drawing the character.

Ah, the ever so popular "you're uneducated, narrowminded, you lack X" response. Except, you're probably consenting to making content that you're roughly going to know someone jacks off to it. Now, people jack off to a lot of things, but that doesn't mean if you draw say a picture of a naked man in Italian art that there's not some horny dude or chick out there getting out to it. Still, we can play benefit of the doubt and "Whatabout" or "whatif"s all day. But the bottom line is most porn artists pretty much are aware that they will be making someone's wank material. That's the issue, you'll attract people who will make it your business. Let me say the must stupid and blunt way, I've made pictures of Scylla before and then I've had people contact me asking for her to eat them. Now granted this is the most out there example, but sadly it's like saying you're not involved in the forest fire when you're burning marshmallows during a drought.

There's the thing, I've met MANY porn artists on Deviantart, and their primary motive turns out to be they get off to it as well. Yes, it's possible to make art that you like and just someone gets off to it, many times I'll make a picture of a character and it's faved by over 9000 no art accounts with people who have feet in their favorites, but the thing is that when I make the art it's 100% meant to be more serious and not something someone gets off to. I wouldn't care about rudeness, simply because I've met many a egotistical artist on deviantart who do get off to the smut they make. So, my mind isn't ever going to be changed on the subject because all foo often I see the opposite case, come hail or high water.

Except, there's one little issue. My characters are in a story that has an outright interplanetary war and heavy combat, and yet people put my own art in favorites with really out there shit like breasts that would make your back hurt or balloons. Do I like these people? No, but for me to go after every single person who looks at my characters the wrong way, especially after being in the Sonic fandom and already getting that stigma would be a big waste of time. Also, giants are something humanity has been making in mythology and fiction way before I was even born. Presuming my characters are for smut is basically being blind to the literal decade worth of lore in how they are, their motives, and their story. So yeah, you can make a lame armchair argument about that, but then I'll just rebuke you at being lazy and not analyzing or thinking critical about my character's actual targeted audience of people who like sci-fi and fantasy with a touch of mythos. Then again, this is Fur Affinity's forums so such lazy thinking is sort of common.

Yeah, I am not going to bring up Zerofinix, a user who recently did some very atrocious things and yet they make very nice SFW art. I'll tell you, I've seen too many people say that in my day.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
@Jaredthefox92 This is not the first time I’ve seen you apply one set of standards for other people’s posts/arguments, and a different set of standards for your own. Either you can argue that it’s a safe assumption that people are sexually stimulated by the things they draw, or you can accept that it’s not a foregone conclusion. In the former case, you have to accept that it applies to your own artwork as well (“it has a larger story” is not enough to absolve the work in this case; plenty of NSFW art comes with stories, including art that is explicitly created as wank material. I’ve drawn smut in the past of a character whose world/story is about 20 years old at this point - while it wasn’t created for the purpose of getting anyone off it’s 100% explicitly sexual content). In the latter case, you shouldn’t be throwing out broad generalizations about NSFW artists’ motivations. If the reason Artist A draws naked bunnies doesn’t matter, the reason Artist B draws giant ladies doesn’t matter. Period.

If it would make me lazy to draw conclusions about your work without deep analysis, it makes you lazy to jump to conclusions about NSFW artists’ motivations without first giving their work the same analysis. The reason why I even mentioned that incident was that you appeared to find the allegation that you had a sexual interest in giant characters offensive, and I figured making explicit the parallel with the assumptions you make of adult work might give you a bit of pause. I guess not.

Now granted this is the most out there example, but sadly it's like saying you're not involved in the forest fire when you're burning marshmallows during a drought.
More like you’re selling the marshmallows; the whole point is that it’s literally someone else getting the product and doing something with it that’s not under your control.

But hey, if you don’t care about how rude, harmful and stigmatizing (not to mention hypocritical) it can be to assume that everyone else’s motivations are sexual while maintaining that your own motivations are pure as new snow, that’s your choice. I’ve told you on the assumption that most people prefer not to be rude.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
@Jaredthefox92 This is not the first time I’ve seen you apply one set of standards for other people’s posts/arguments, and a different set of standards for your own. Either you can argue that it’s a safe assumption that people are sexually stimulated by the things they draw, or you can accept that it’s not a foregone conclusion. In the former case, you have to accept that it applies to your own artwork as well (“it has a larger story” is not enough to absolve the work in this case; plenty of NSFW art comes with stories, including art that is explicitly created as wank material. I’ve drawn smut in the past of a character whose world/story is about 20 years old at this point - while it wasn’t created for the purpose of getting anyone off it’s 100% explicitly sexual content). In the latter case, you shouldn’t be throwing out broad generalizations about NSFW artists’ motivations. If the reason Artist A draws naked bunnies doesn’t matter, the reason Artist B draws giant ladies doesn’t matter. Period.

If it would make me lazy to draw conclusions about your work without deep analysis, it makes you lazy to jump to conclusions about NSFW artists’ motivations without first giving their work the same analysis. The reason why I even mentioned that incident was that you appeared to find the allegation that you had a sexual interest in giant characters offensive, and I figured making explicit the parallel with the assumptions you make of adult work might give you a bit of pause. I guess not.


More like you’re selling the marshmallows; the whole point is that it’s literally someone else getting the product and doing something with it that’s not under your control.

But hey, if you don’t care about how rude, harmful and stigmatizing (not to mention hypocritical) it can be to assume that everyone else’s motivations are sexual while maintaining that your own motivations are pure as new snow, that’s your choice. I’ve told you on the assumption that most people prefer not to be rude.

In your world intent doesn't matter. In your world just because I draw X means I care what someone I've never even met before has thoughts on my creation. Sorry, but my standard is this, if you're making porn art, you have to know the neighborhood of what you draw. I don't make porn art, simple as that. Nobody in the real world looks at my characters and would think of sexual promiscuity. Only sex crazed furries on a website would even fathom such conclusion. I can apply my standards because my way of business is not your way of business. I'm not selling smut or profiting off of porn art, so yeah you can go complain to the cows come home but it's apples to uranium as far as comparisons. You willingly admit you draw smut, despite the social repercussions. My artwork wouldn't be considered such in the real world and I have no intention for it to be so as I've been working on my series for over 10 years. You can complain all you want about my presumptions, my your rules are not my rules and my rules are not your rules. Also, idiot. I have giant men too, have you ever seen Grief? Of course not, he wouldn't fit your narrative. Grief has literally been my male mascot for over a decade, and his entire story has nothing to do with a bunch of thirsty people on the internet. So yeah, not period. Don't like my reasoning? Go complain on Tumblr, but I shall stand by my record of characters I've worked on for over 10 years not being someone's smut.

They draw smut for money, or they do it because they're secretly wanting it. I will not play devil's advocate with people I've countless times see this happen by experience. Once more, we can go "whatabout" or "but if" all day, but my experience is that smut artists generally either do it to sell out or because they want it for their own personal "consumption". No amount of finger pointing will change my viewpoint on this. I don't find it offensive, I just find it annoying. Too many furries on here are obsessed with sex where they really shouldn't. Just because some people may look at my characters one way doesn't mean that they're meant for smut or whatever NSFW people have in their dirty little minds. Once more, look at characters who are male like Arnzarel, Grief, Tyrenous, Anton, Maximus, and Cyrus who have no ounce of sexual conduct in their lore or designs for over ten whole years.

Yeah, that is why you get a better product that isn't as harmful to your body. Sex is an addiction that can lead to bad issues, and I am not into the market to sell that. I have a conscious.

I still presume such, simply because I'm not here to sell smut or NSFW. My intent and playbook is not Fur Affinties. Sorry, but not everyone cares about such rubbish when they want to make a narrative and entertain a story. In your world, George Lucas is selling smut because Leia has a slave girl outfit in Return of the Jedi. Projection doesn't work on me, because my playbook is not the playbook of people making porn for money.
 
My neighborhood is shit; the apartment building I live in has trashy landlords that'll send goons to break walls in an elderly tenant's apartrment mere days after he passes (also accidentally cutting water in midst heat waves); but they have yet to replace the multiple mailboxes that have been destroyed months ago; also there's ACAB shit smeared all across the walls.
I badly want to move out of the big city, it reeks with pollution and it's infested with obnoxious, barely civilized shitheads. Why on earth do we pay more to live in large trash heaps..?
Indeed... why are you living there?
 
Edit: lol I think I replied to a previous post here and didn't see the new ones XD

I am in the Netherlands, housing prices have increased rapidly here. We want to move, but it is just impossible. Living in an apartment makes me miserable, so we would be looking at houses and stuff. But prices for that start from 300K (euro)...

I wish they would build proper houses for normal rates here. It is insane that most people can't afford to rent/buy anymore.
Have you looked at a mortgage? or purchasing cheap land AND THEN building a house on top?
rent is just dead money that isn't going towards paying for a house.
 
Just to let you know, most, if not everyone has to or wants to see NSFW. Don't be surprised when many reject it. Do realize that you're making material for someone to get off to, so don't come complaining when society doesn't want to indulge you.
How are you even associated with Fur affinity or the furry fandom in general?
A fandom that is a mostly "odd" people drawing suggestive or outright pornographic anthro-animal stuff.
You have chosen to associate with a sexualised group of people.
Furaffinity isn't society.... Deviantart is not society......
Almost nobody irl knows anything about Furaffinity.
 

Jaredthefox92

Banned
Banned
How are you even associated with Fur affinity or the furry fandom in general?
A fandom that is a mostly "odd" people drawing suggestive or outright pornographic anthro-animal stuff.
You have chosen to associate with a sexualised group of people.
Furaffinity isn't society.... Deviantart is not society......
Almost nobody irl knows anything about Furaffinity.

I'm not truth be told. I just like to roleplay, chat, and sometimes ask for art but as far as all the fursuits and conventions? Nope!

"You can be in the world, but not of the world."

Also, you're mistaken that I think everyone here is like that. No, I don't. Hence why I have made some friends and roleplay, but I an not in the furry fandom for those reasons.
 

The_biscuits_532

Sneaky rainforest kitty
How are you even associated with Fur affinity or the furry fandom in general?
A fandom that is a mostly "odd" people drawing suggestive or outright pornographic anthro-animal stuff.
You have chosen to associate with a sexualised group of people.
Furaffinity isn't society.... Deviantart is not society......
Almost nobody irl knows anything about Furaffinity.
Whilst NSFW content is a large part of the fandom, it isn't an inherent factor.
 

Yakamaru

Spookdogg
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