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Eternally Confused Feline
Ayyy the hotel owners just went behind hotels.com's back and changed the booking for freeWell
You'll never guess which idiot booked the wrong hotel date and had to rebook, doubling the price.
Ayyy the hotel owners just went behind hotels.com's back and changed the booking for freeWell
You'll never guess which idiot booked the wrong hotel date and had to rebook, doubling the price.
Ties between conservation and religion have been something I've just started to learn about. It's pretty interesting.It seems to me that a lot of climate activists are just in it to hawk identitarian talking points and don't actually give a shit about the biosphere at large. This is evidenced by the vitriol against animal rights activists, vegans, and atheists pointing out the link between creation myths and our treatment of other lifeforms. When they *do* talk about other species, it's almost always in terms of their utility to some human group or another, rarely as entities with their own welfare to consider.
I’d personally also include excessively preachy/pushy ideological vegans and vegetarians. If your approach is “vegan/strict vegetarian or bust” you’re not only going to be ineffective, you’re also potentially contributing to the malnutrition of any people you do convert. Being vegan without lots of research and probably supplements is hard. (Also people who try to put their cats on vegan diets should try to sustain themselves exclusively on lettuce. Don’t talk to me about animal cruelty, you monsters!)For full disclosure I included (militant) in the above as nine times out of ten when vegan inevitably comes up in these sort of discussions isn't in relation to "I personally abstain from animal product and animal byproduct foods / goods for personal / moral reasons" sorts that're being dragged but the "Gets fucky with sociological outlier demographics and has even more fucky 'solutions' to logistics problems" type. I can't speak for other people's experiences, but just talking from my own I've never seen the former get any flak... but have had the pleasure of dealing with "Actually sometimes hundreds of millions starving to death is goodAnd who cares if indigenous groups are eradicated / forcibly expelled from their homelands
" sorts.
My experience is quite simply that the ones who are perfectly okay with harming remote groups are the only ones I've ever met, to the point where I may wind up questioning people who actually can't eat meat because of my own damn trauma from the word "vegan".For full disclosure I included (militant) in the above as nine times out of ten when vegan inevitably comes up in these sort of discussions isn't in relation to "I personally abstain from animal product and animal byproduct foods / goods for personal / moral reasons" sorts that're being dragged but the "Gets fucky with sociological outlier demographics and has even more fucky 'solutions' to logistics problems" type. I can't speak for other people's experiences, but just talking from my own I've never seen the former get any flak... but have had the pleasure of dealing with "Actually sometimes hundreds of millions starving to death is goodAnd who cares if indigenous groups are eradicated / forcibly expelled from their homelands
" sorts.
I would *love* to hear what you think this is really about, since you've got it all figured out. Peer into my mind and tell me what my *actual* gripe is.a very different grudge
Well you know what they say about people who always start their ramblings with some variation of "I'll be honest"I would *love* to hear what you think this is really about, since you've got it all figured out. Peer into my mind and tell me what my *actual* gripe is.
Access to the relevant nutrition, nutritional information, et al definitely falls under the “Gets fucky” realm, yeah. Like, it’s still a fairly common point of exploitation in several small communities for grocery options to be “About as diverse and nutritional as a corner shop” (to say nothing of places where it isn’t even exploitation: A couple towns in Alaska or other “Effectively isolated for the winter” regions spring to mind). Hypothetically a solution there is to expand access to the relevant food stuffs, information, et al… but the fact that this issue remains even when talking about non-Vegan diets says a lot on how difficult this issue is to fix.I’d personally also include excessively preachy/pushy ideological vegans and vegetarians. If your approach is “vegan/strict vegetarian or bust” you’re not only going to be ineffective, you’re also potentially contributing to the malnutrition of any people you do convert. Being vegan without lots of research and probably supplements is hard. (Also people who try to put their cats on vegan diets should try to sustain themselves exclusively on lettuce. Don’t talk to me about animal cruelty, you monsters!)
Since time is short (killing the last few minutes of lunch break), I’ll be brief with a “Wholehearted and sincere agreement” / “This”.Less meat is less meat/less environmental impact. More humanely sourced meat is less exploitation. Less is an improvement any way you slice it, and demanding none is going farther than most people are capable of while maintaining good health.
(I personally eat meat like 1-2 times a week most weeks; I allow myself a single meat item when I get groceries and may get meat eating out. I don’t believe I would be healthy on a completely vegetarian diet, and that’s with someone who knows what he’s doing doing the majority of our cooking.)
It is a fairly common flip-flop, unfortunately. Such communities are worth emulating and acknowledging until they very sharply and suddenly aren’t.....My experience is quite simply that the ones who are perfectly okay with harming remote groups are the only ones I've ever met, to the point where I may wind up questioning people who actually can't eat meat because of my own damn trauma from the word "vegan".
Actually, indigenous groups are something I need to research as I'm pretty sure some of the staple veggies and grains that vegans love so much are so over-farmed in remote areas that it's causing issues for the locals. (Quinoa and asparagus are the two that come to mind - the former allegedly the locals can't afford anymore, the latter supposedly causing water issues.)
The “indentitarian talking points”, people with vitriol against “animal rights activists…” et al? The environmental stuff (as it relates outside those) is entirely tangential.I would *love* to hear what you think this is really about, since you've got it all figured out. Peer into my mind and tell me what my *actual* gripe is.
My doctor said to use chamomile tea with it.Melatonin not doing shit.
Chamomile doesn't do anything for me, maybe when I was younger, but not now.My doctor said to use chamomile tea with it.
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Few people would be dumb enough to do it in person, in full view where they can be countered, and that may explain your experience in LA.I'm not going to talk about the pros and cons of vegetarianism/veganism. But what I will say is this: the people who complain about the fanatical veg people seem to far outweigh the actual fanatics. Even on the Internet, I've hardly interacted with any fanatics. In real life? I've met zero people like that. None. Now admittedly this is my own perspective based on who I meet, but I do live in Los Angeles. We have no shortage of veg people, and I'm friends with quite a few. None of them are pushy. But I do meet people fairly regularly (and am even friends with one) who complain about the pushy ones.
Funny how that works.
In that regard I do apologize, particularly as my original post draft was going to explicitly mention that such are a very small (and mostly just vocal) minority / proportion of vegans overall but was cut in the end.I'm not going to talk about the pros and cons of vegetarianism/veganism. But what I will say is this: the people who complain about the fanatical veg people seem to far outweigh the actual fanatics. Even on the Internet, I've hardly interacted with any fanatics. In real life? I've met zero people like that. None. Now admittedly this is my own perspective based on who I meet, but I do live in Los Angeles. We have no shortage of veg people, and I'm friends with quite a few. None of them are pushy. But I do meet people fairly regularly (and am even friends with one) who complain about the pushy ones.
Funny how that works.
Be great if my dumb hand could do more than 30-40 minutes of intense actiony gaming at a stretch. Tried playing Risk of Rain 2 with husband and boyfriend last night and by the end of our run my left hand was killing me from how hard I end up pressing the WASD etc keys.
I’d personally also include excessively preachy/pushy ideological vegans and vegetarians. If your approach is “vegan/strict vegetarian or bust” you’re not only going to be ineffective, you’re also potentially contributing to the malnutrition of any people you do convert. Being vegan without lots of research and probably supplements is hard. (Also people who try to put their cats on vegan diets should try to sustain themselves exclusively on lettuce. Don’t talk to me about animal cruelty, you monsters!)
Less meat is less meat/less environmental impact. More humanely sourced meat is less exploitation. Less is an improvement any way you slice it, and demanding none is going farther than most people are capable of while maintaining good health.
(I personally eat meat like 1-2 times a week most weeks; I allow myself a single meat item when I get groceries and may get meat eating out. I don’t believe I would be healthy on a completely vegetarian diet, and that’s with someone who knows what he’s doing doing the majority of our cooking.)