Vent Thread

[Baron Tredegar]

Most of us genuinely don't want to be considered defective if we don't want to be more like the opposite sex. I would argue something like that does a lot more to make people depressed than learning from an early age to toughen up, especially since we're going to have to toughen up regardless due to life.

Toxic masculinity to me was growing up being told that I am supposed to be a strong man who likes sports and that all sex is evil, except when Im married, in that case its okay to rape your wife.

The American South is a very different place than France.

 

[Smityyyy]

Toxic masculinity is absolutely very real and it very much hurts both men and women.

Men are overwhelmingly taught that we cannot show emotions, intimacy, or affection. As a human… we need all three of those things regularly. This can make men poor listeners and less able to excel when it comes to platonic relationships.

It’s not a “caricature” nor an insult… it’s the harsh truth. Men deserve better and ought to be raised no differently than women are.

 

[Minerva_Minx]

Most of us genuinely don't want to be considered defective if we don't want to be more like the opposite sex. I would argue something like that does a lot more to make people depressed than learning from an early age to toughen up, especially since we're going to have to toughen up regardless due to life.

Asking for help is never a sign of weakness. It’s one of the bravest things you can do. And it can save your life.
-Lily Collins

 

[Frank Gulotta]

Asking for help is never a sign of weakness. It’s one of the bravest things you can do. And it can save your life.
-Lily Collins

Then I was right your definition of men's psychology is caricatural; I don't know ANYONE who would never ask for help, asking for help is not a woman thing

 

[Filter]

Toxic masculinity is absolutely very real and it very much hurts both men and women.

Men are overwhelmingly taught that we cannot show emotions, intimacy, or affection. As a human… we need all three of those things regularly. This can make men poor listeners and less able to excel when it comes to platonic relationships.

It’s not a “caricature” nor an insult… it’s the harsh truth. Men deserve better and ought to be raised no differently than women are.

There's just toxicity and non-toxicity as far as I'm concerned. Most fall somewhere on a spectrum between the extremes, regardless of gender. If somebody thinks they can't possibly be toxic because of their sex/race/creed/etc. they're at a higher risk for exhibiting toxicity. It's a cancer that grows the longer one turns a blind eye to it.

Unfortunately, these double standards seem to have grown worse over my lifetime. And that's what I think it comes down to. Double standards, rather than anything inherently wrong with masculinity or femininity. That's where I think you get the most push-back. People who can't separate gender norms from harmful attitudes and behaviors, or legitimately excuse bad behavior in others because of these things.

The caricature is real. Agreed. Like most stereotypes, it comes from somewhere, but I don't necessarily find it useful when dealing with individuals. Especially, individuals I've never met.

Looking back, that's one thing my parents did right. The same standards applied regardless. The concepts of right and wrong pertained to everyone. There was no "boys will be boys" or girls getting a free pass for other things.

 

[RamblingRenegade]

I'm going to be extremely cautious and think twice before giving any creator here my money again.. my fur is still singed from being burnt now more than once

 

[Judge Spear]

Let nature run it's course please. Obviously, this is rare but I hate seeing people save wild animals from the predation of another wild animal. I'm not talking about feral cats or loose dogs. I'm talking about, untagged/registered, undomesticated, wild animals. If a bird is in the process of subduing a rabbit, let it.

Help an animal that belongs to someone or has been harmed by human invention. Let predators prey. They have a hard enough time getting food without some idiot and their iPhone 14 hoping to get a bit of Reddit karma or YouTube likes. People are so fucking corny.

 

[Fallowfox]

Toxic masculinity is absolutely very real and it very much hurts both men and women.

Men are overwhelmingly taught that we cannot show emotions, intimacy, or affection. As a human… we need all three of those things regularly. This can make men poor listeners and less able to excel when it comes to platonic relationships.

It’s not a “caricature” nor an insult… it’s the harsh truth. Men deserve better and ought to be raised no differently than women are.

I personally feel like I hardly have these things. Most of the time I do not feel strong emotions.

 

[Frank Gulotta]

Boston University Pushes Back on Claims of New ‘Deadly' COVID Strain

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These poor mice. Jesus

At least it "only" kills 80% of the mice tested but maybe don't make more covid variants anyhow

 

[quoting_mungo]

I personally feel like I hardly have these things. Most of the time I do not feel strong emotions.

Do you remember if you did as a young child?

I know men who are all but incapable of crying after a life of being socialized into “boys/men don’t cry.” It’s gut-wrenching to see them clearly wanting to cry, clearly could use a good cry, but that socialization stands firm.

 

[Ramjet]

Imagine believing muh toxic masculinity meme to be of major importance rn when groceries are up double digits year on year, and our leaders are perpetually robbing us blind....lol

"Weak men create hard times" indeed.

I can't wait for the nukes to drop tbh.

 

[TyraWadman]

Ah yes... Delectable, 5-star floor pizza.

 

[TyraWadman]

Imagine believing muh toxic masculinity meme to be of major importance rn when groceries are up double digits year on year, and our leaders are perpetually robbing us blind....lol

"Weak men create hard times" indeed.

I can't wait for the nukes to drop tbh.

Also holy shit it hiked up worse than I thought. Hot dogs that were normally 3-4$ are now 11!
Meat is being packaged smaller for more.

Stuff that was raised by a dollar last week went up another dollar this week! Not sure how things are on your end.

 

[RamblingRenegade]

You know it's bad when what used to be like a .29 ramen noodle pack is like .99 now

 

[a sleepy kitty]

I want chinese food soooooo bad, but am broke!

 

[Smityyyy]

Imagine believing muh toxic masculinity meme to be of major importance rn when groceries are up double digits year on year, and our leaders are perpetually robbing us blind....lol

"Weak men create hard times" indeed.

I can't wait for the nukes to drop tbh.

This might surprise you… but one can focus on multiple problems at once. Interesting how most guys here agreed that growing up being given the opportunity to have the same emotionally fulfilling life as women would’ve been a game changer.

A weak man is one who cries at the notion of addressing unhealthy behaviors and attitudes. I feel awful sorry for the men who scoff at the idea of self-improvement. Hope you get better soon.

 

[Frank Gulotta]

This might surprise you… but one can focus on multiple problems at once. Interesting how most guys here agreed that growing up being given the opportunity to have the same emotionally fulfilling life as women would’ve been a game changer.

A weak man is one who cries at the notion of addressing unhealthy behaviors and attitudes. I feel awful sorry for the men who scoff at the idea of self-improvement. Hope you get better soon.

It's not difficult to choose what should immediately be a priority tho. On one hand there's real problems and on the other are first world problems cooked up by assholes; and since somebody mentioned my country, this divisive identitarian concept is used here by people in position of power to chastise men for just wanting to grill meat among friends, that's how useless and backwards, yet annoyingly nagging this shitty concept is
Perhaps toxic femininity, such as nagging, should be addressed in the same way, then they would start seeing why people are unhappy with this invasive ideological trash

 

[Ramjet]

Also holy shit it hiked up worse than I thought. Hot dogs that were normally 3-4$ are now 11!
Meat is being packaged smaller for more.

Stuff that was raised by a dollar last week went up another dollar this week! Not sure how things are on your end.

Just as bad.

 

[Smityyyy]

It's not difficult to choose what should immediately be a priority tho. On one hand there's real problems and on the other are first world problems cooked up by assholes; and since somebody mentioned my country, this divisive identitarian concept is used here by people in position of power to chastise men for just wanting to grill meat among friends, that's how useless and backwards, yet annoyingly nagging this shitty concept is
Perhaps toxic femininity, such as nagging, should be addressed in the same way, then they would start seeing why people are unhappy with this invasive ideological trash

Let’s be real, Frank, discussing an issue which affects guys on the daily while on a furry forum isn’t putting emphasis on this issue over another. I absolutely agree that we have more massive issues affecting everyone… but again, these sort of fights ain’t a pie — addressing one issue doesn’t take from another.

Secondly… nobody’s using “toxic masculinity” to stop y’all from grilling. Spend some time off the internet watching SJW rekt compilations and get outside. Toxic masculinity isn’t referring to grilling — it’s referring to the strict set of ideals placed on men which forces them into a rigid role in society. This role leads to over 95% of all crime being committed by men, over 95% of sexual violence being committed by men, and the vast majority of suicides being committed by men. The idea that men must grow up stoic, strong, unemotional, and masculine is toxic. And we can easily see in the data what’s happening as a result of this. Nobody’s saying a world where we address the harmful role men are conditioned into will destroy masculinity as a concept — only that we ought to reform it into something less dangerous for men and society.

This last point about “women nagging” is not only a misogynistic stereotype… but laughable. It’s sadly clear where your biases lie and I implore you to try stepping outside of your narrow worldview.

 

[Minerva_Minx]

Ah yes... Delectable, 5-star floor pizza.

What happened to your pizza?! I'm saddened by the loss of this food...

 

[Baron Tredegar]

It's not difficult to choose what should immediately be a priority tho. On one hand there's real problems and on the other are first world problems cooked up by assholes; and since somebody mentioned my country, this divisive identitarian concept is used here by people in position of power to chastise men for just wanting to grill meat among friends, that's how useless and backwards, yet annoyingly nagging this shitty concept is
Perhaps toxic femininity, such as nagging, should be addressed in the same way, then they would start seeing why people are unhappy with this invasive ideological trash

I highly advise you to investigate the toxic bullshit known as Purity Culture. Because of this shit most of the men in my region cant even make a damn sandwich because they have been raised to expect a woman to do everything, they are completely unable to provide for themselves.

 

[Ramjet]

This might surprise you… but one can focus on multiple problems at once. Interesting how most guys here agreed that growing up being given the opportunity to have the same emotionally fulfilling life as women would’ve been a game changer.

A weak man is one who cries at the notion of addressing unhealthy behaviors and attitudes. I feel awful sorry for the men who scoff at the idea of self-improvement. Hope you get better soon.

Most guys here are adult children still living with their parents well into their 20s/30s, let me get right on jotting down life advice notes from such a group lmao....

Hard to notice/or care that the world is breaking down around you when you're still on the payroll of the bank of mom & dad.

 

[Firuthi Dragovic]

I highly advise you to investigate the toxic bullshit known as Purity Culture. Because of this shit most of the men in my region cant even make a damn sandwich because they have been raised to expect a woman to do everything, they are completely unable to provide for themselves.

Wait, wait, WAIT a minute.

I was under the impression "toxic femininity" was about being overly submissive, but the way you describe the men in your area you make it sound like the women are the dominant ones.

 

[Baron Tredegar]

Wait, wait, WAIT a minute.

I was under the impression "toxic femininity" was about being overly submissive, but the way you describe the men in your area you make it sound like the women are the dominant ones.

Where I live men are supposed to be the strong providers of the household and get jobs. Women are supposed to be completely submissive to the man and cater to their every whim. Men grow up learning how to do manual labor and things perceived to be masculine, women are the ones who are expected to cook, make sure the house is clean and have a baby before they hit the age of 20. As a result women end up in a lot of abusive relationships and men, while being able to do hard manual labor well, literally are incapable of doing most mundane tasks. The whole system is very patriarchal and very outdated. Alcoholism is a huge issue, and divorces are extremely common.

 

[Frank Gulotta]

Secondly… nobody’s using “toxic masculinity” to stop y’all from grilling

So yeah again you don't know much about what I'm talking about, I'm not going into details as it would be political but I'm talking about somebody who's supposed to be a minister, so I would sadly not call her a "nobody".

Spend some time off the internet watching SJW rekt compilations and get outside

Not done any of that in ages, again I want nothing more than to completely ignore this human trash, sadly they're everywhere, see point 1)

Toxic masculinity isn’t referring to grilling

Think again, it's pervasive and everybody knows it. These people don't stop with just talking about crime rates (speaking of which 50% of violent crimes in the US are committed by black people, yet I don't think it would sound good if someone started talking about toxic blackness? let me guess if we apply the same logic to a different group all of a sudden the logic completely flips, because it's all shallow divisive trash that's not actually supposed to make sense) see point below

This role leads to over 95% of all crime being committed by men, over 95% of sexual violence being committed by men, and the vast majority of suicides being committed by men. The idea that men must grow up stoic, strong, unemotional, and masculine is toxic. And we can easily see in the data what’s happening as a result of this. Nobody’s saying a world where we address the harmful role men are conditioned into will destroy masculinity as a concept — only that we ought to reform it into something less dangerous for men and society.

That last bit is exactly why it gets to be everywhere, and yes get to apply to trivial shit like sharing a meal with friends; this shitty idea of the need for a "reform". Then it needs to be enforced and people to be reeducated. And then what's to happen to dissidents? It's by nature a totalitarian idea.

This last point about “women nagging” is not only a misogynistic stereotype… but bleh bleh bleh

Oh NOW all of a sudden assigning a bad behavior to one sex is bigoted? case in fucking point
Stop nagging, it's toxic femininity and causes male suicide. Clearly femininity needs to be reformed to be less toxic.