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What are Babyfurs?

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Astus

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Name calling doesn't solve anything.
 
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ProxFox

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Though, bear in mind that what I know about baby furs is limited to what has been said of them during/ after a certain... Event.

Unfortunately that's a very visible minority of babyfurs. Most of the babyfurs you've met you probably didn't know they were babyfurs. Cause they keep that shit to themselves.
 

BRN

WTB Forum Mod Powers
Being into the porny side of the fandom, kinks pollute from circle to circle. Some babyfur stuff makes its way to the Pokemon fandom from time to time.

It just seems like an enabling label for the diaper and kiddy-diddling crowd. Can't say I've really ever felt comfortable around the crew; I've ended up with this belief that a babyfur who say's they're not peadophilic is like a pokefur who says they're not zoophilic. It's weird and disorienting to meet whichever answer they choose.
 

Ricky

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omg cubs are the cutest and want to hug them all and i wish i was a cub too!

I don't *think* there is an initiation >.>

Well, saying you are a babyfur *probably is* the initiation o_O

Though, bear in mind that what I know about baby furs is limited to what has been said of them during/ after a certain... Event.

Unfortunately that's a very visible minority of babyfurs. Most of the babyfurs you've met you probably didn't know they were babyfurs. Cause they keep that shit to themselves.

... Literally? :V

Lol I joke, but remember: there's a bit of truth to every joke. I know a ton of babyfurs. I've been around the tactful ones, I've been around the tactless ones and I've been to their "daddy's" place and had pictures taken with me in order to post them here as flame-bate *cough... Pamperchu*. But, I digress.

First off, there's a lot of truth in those two comments. You generally hear what is obscure or unusual. Cutesy, innocent, babyfur role-play doesn't make good drama. As Prox said, it's a visible minority but I'd be hesitant to say it's a minority in general. Most babyfurs are into it because of a fetish but you also have people such as myself. By virtue of a love for all things cute and cuddly, and an almost debilitating sense of morbid curiosity, I wandered into this fetish-dominated minority of a subculture that was repressed by an already-repressed (or so proclaimed) parent subculture.

I'm not sure if anyone here has noticed this, but most subcultures come about exclusively due to repression. The official definition is "a cultural group within a larger culture, often having beliefs or interests at variance with those of the larger culture." The "gay subculture" is a perfect example; because of repression, homosexuals came together and formed their own group, complete with their own clothes, lingo, music, mannerisms and probably every other identifying trait of a subculture. This forms what the members perceive as a "safety-net" away from the "persecution" of the outside world.

You could see how babyfurs, a small group within an already persecuted (or, so proclaimed) subculture as it was, would easily fall into this mentality. This is the reason you will see such nonsense rival that of even the furries, who have been featured on shows such as CSI, Las Vegas for certain *cough* events that took place at cons. When they find out there are others like them and get all excited, lowering inhibitions in the group mentality present at cons, this gets amplified several-fold. Compound that with a average autistic-esque personality and you get downright INSANITY :eek:

Okay, so that was hyperbole but you get the point. You see this more at cons (where more rumors and drama are spread) and less in the general public where most of these characters have more reserve.

And that's where we merge into cub porn, one of the most disgusting parts of the subculture. It essentially has children in adult situations and while there are those who argue that it's not all about pedophilia, having children in adult situations is a big no no and is generally shunned among babyfurs; especially the AB because it ruins the idea of security through innocence.

Be that as it may, it is still an opinion. A lot of the "cub porn" I've known people commissioned was of their own characters in situations that weren't really sexual (albeit, they might have seen it that way). For example, two naked cubs side-by-side in some innocent picture isn't necessarily the same thing as violent cub rape (yes, I have seen plenty of that, too). This is a slippery slope and since I'd rather remain objective I'm not going to opine on the matter. There is one more harsh reality of this subculture, though: the daddies.

As you say, cubs might be innocent and even though I've never cared one way or the other with them, one thing that didn't sit well with me has always been "the daddies", or much older adult men who "caretake" for the cubs. This generally involves changing diapers but very often involves sexual intercourse across the largely-divided age gap. Many of the more... "questionable" types of this older demographic claim that they are also cubs. Are they? Or are they just there to fiddle with little boys? You decide :V

So.... babyfurs are a plant disease?

Haha. I like you :D
 
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scet

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Ok so now it's weird to be interested in a sub group and be separate from the sexual related veriations of the sub group?

I mean ok pokemon are cool, and I'll rp play as a pokemon but they aren't that sexy, where as I'm super turned on by normal furries. Like even if the pokemon is the same animal the poké part is a turn off to me tbh.

And yeah anthro is my preferred furry NSFW subject but feral animals are crossing a line into zoophilia. If the furry is still mentally on a human level, like can talk and give concent, I'll let it slide.

But when ou get to a point where the animal is not able to understand what sexual consent is that is where it becomes wrong. I feel like the same applies to age play. If people want to get into the sexual areas shouldn't it be ok as long as all parties are actively concenting and mentally understand what sexual concent is.

That'd why in the real world we have laws aginst sexual relations with people of those ages, because mentally they can't understand adult activities like that.

But in a world where everyone is playing pretend and we are all adults we dont have to make everything about sex. Though when it start making its way into sexual related enjoyment shouldn't it be ok for people to concent to sex in any way they feel comfortable in when all parties understand what's going on
 

scet

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I was about to say sorry for the long post but I see others posted long replies too lol
 
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Lasvicus

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Ok so now it's weird to be interested in a sub group and be separate from the sexual related veriations of the sub group?

I mean ok pokemon are cool, and I'll rp play as a pokemon but they aren't that sexy, where as I'm super turned on by normal furries. Like even if the pokemon is the same animal the poké part is a turn off to me tbh.

And yeah anthro is my preferred furry NSFW subject but feral animals are crossing a line into zoophilia. If the furry is still mentally on a human level, like can talk and give concent, I'll let it slide.

But when ou get to a point where the animal is not able to understand what sexual consent is that is where it becomes wrong. I feel like the same applies to age play. If people want to get into the sexual areas shouldn't it be ok as long as all parties are actively concenting and mentally understand what sexual concent is.

That'd why in the real world we have laws aginst sexual relations with people of those ages, because mentally they can't understand adult activities like that.

But in a world where everyone is playing pretend and we are all adults we dont have to make everything about sex. Though when it start making its way into sexual related enjoyment shouldn't it be ok for people to concent to sex in any way they feel comfortable in when all parties understand what's going on
I vote no on this.
People get off to what they get off to. And if sitting in their parents' basement, rubbing their tent to this crap gets them off and keeps them from seeking a more... Physical stimulus, who cares. Because no one is actually getting hurt. And I would personally consider any sexual attraction to a furry or an anthro-nimal to be zoophilia. Because no matter how human-like, they are (by default) based on the likeness of an animal.
 

scet

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My point being simply, no most people into furries won't fuck an animal. Just like most people into AB/DL-babyfurs will not have sex with an underage person.

But these people might want to go out and physically do something with other adult-human people in there subcultures. And that is perfectly fine and there no reason for anyone to feel bad about liking that. If it warring a fur suit or a diaper were all adults and so everything is ok with it
 

Victor-933

Professional Retard
Unfortunately that's a very visible minority of babyfurs. Most of the babyfurs you've met you probably didn't know they were babyfurs. Cause they keep that shit to themselves.

As they say, perception is nine-tenths of the law.

The disgusting motherfuckers who shit everywhere and throw dirty diapers in with the hotel's clean laundry and get a well-known fur con banned from the premises are a very visible and easily perceptible faction. As you said the more moderate silent majority are swept up in the fecal tide of judgement with the rest because they're less visible and don't or can't publicly distance themselves from the problematic faction well enough to detach themselves from the stigma.

It's like how all republicans are minority-hating racist sexist warmongering corporate shills that use the bolt carriers off their fully murdermatic AR-15s as prostate massagers.
 

scet

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As they say, perception is nine-tenths of the law.

The disgusting motherfuckers who shit everywhere and throw dirty diapers in with the hotel's clean laundry and get a well-known fur con banned from the premises are a very visible and easily perceptible faction. As you said the more moderate silent majority are swept up in the fecal tide of judgement with the rest because they're less visible and don't or can't publicly distance themselves from the problematic faction well enough to detach themselves from the stigma.

It's like how all republicans are minority-hating racist sexist warmongering corporate shills that use the bolt carriers off their fully murdermatic AR-15s as prostate massagers.

OMFG ARE YOUR SERIOUS?

WTF, is this the "event" people talking about??

When did this happen? Where? Holy crap who was in charge of those people? What the hell ....
 

Victor-933

Professional Retard
OMFG ARE YOUR SERIOUS?

WTF, is this the "event" people talking about??

When did this happen? Where? Holy crap who was in charge of those people? What the hell ....


I'm probably wrong on several details but I distinctly remember a con getting banned from a venue and it involving shitty diapers in the laundry hampers. I want to say it was one of the Rainfurrest cons.
 

Ricky

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Ok so now it's weird to be interested in a sub group and be separate from the sexual related [variations] of the sub group?

It is a stigma I have seen, but there is also a similar stigma in society in general associated with sexual content.

As most males people are sexual in nature, no this does not seem weird. If anything is beside the norm it would be lack of sexual interest (I believe Freud agreed on this as well).

You could say the specific content in question is outside the norm but trust me, most people are into some kind of weird shit whatever it may be (though my own encounters might be biased).

And yeah anthro is my preferred furry NSFW subject but feral animals are crossing a line into zoophilia.

Lol, and the people into this stuff deny it, then log onto FA or Inkbunny and complain to artists about characters lacking animal-specific genetaila :V

If the furry is still mentally on a human level, like can talk and give consent, I'll let it slide. But when you get to a point where the animal is not able to understand what sexual consent is that is where it becomes wrong. I feel like the same applies to age play. If people want to get into the sexual areas shouldn't it be ok as long as all parties are actively [consenting] and mentally understand what sexual consent is. [sic]

I've had some very long debates over this, mostly out of psychological curiosity. One of the points the pro-zoophilia community, that staunchly reinforces their claimed segregation from those practicing bestiality, is that the animal (generally a dog but also often a horse), not only can make it apparent that something is not wanted but also that they practice sex in a way that does not harm the animal physically or psychologically (a statement only Doctor Doolittle can confirm). I think it is impossible to be able to tell what an animal that is unable to communicate thoughts or feelings actually means by "arf!". I never got an answer whether it is one bark or two that means "yes" :V

That'd why in the real world we have laws aginst sexual relations with people of those ages, because mentally they can't understand adult activities like that.

Yeah, and when it comes to children that age it should be obvious. The topic most debated is whether art or role-play could be considered obscene forms of expression when they involve this taboo subject. I personally hold a firm believe in the freedom of expression, so I do not think art should fall into the definition of "obscene" as long as it is used in a way that does not make it such. I also think that consenting adults should be free to do whatever the hell they want to in bed.

I'm probably wrong on several details but I distinctly remember a con getting banned from a venue and it involving shitty diapers in the laundry hampers. I want to say it was one of the Rainfurrest cons.

Did an RF get banned or thrown out? I'd almost hesitate to believe this, but AlohaWolf, the con chair, is a cub himself. I'm aware that con in upstate New York (Foxmas) was drama-blocked by the Furs Who Care Way Too Much, aka Burned Furs Wannabe Group #456 :V
 

scet

Member
I'm probably wrong on several details but I distinctly remember a con getting banned from a venue and it involving shitty diapers in the laundry hampers. I want to say it was one of the Rainfurrest cons.

What's wrong with those people ...
 

BRN

WTB Forum Mod Powers
I don't get why this topic ever had to go into the ethics of consent.

I mean, are we trying to achieve a defense of babyfurs by saying that pretending to diddle is okay as a roleplay thing? Of course it is; I just don't see the link between the premise and the conclusion.

Besides, the problem with ABDL isn't ethics, it's creepiness. Sorry guys. It's really hard to see diapers as cute, and a desire to be an infant comes off pretty strange. I feel like it's seeking a license to be the kind of asshole a kid can be while avoiding the responsibility you gotta take as an adult.

RIP Rainfurrest because of exactly that.
 

scet

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I don't get why this topic ever had to go into the ethics of consent.

I mean, are we trying to achieve a defense of babyfurs by saying that pretending to diddle is okay as a roleplay thing? Of course it is; I just don't see the link between the premise and the conclusion.

Besides, the problem with ABDL isn't ethics, it's creepiness. Sorry guys. It's really hard to see diapers as cute, and a desire to be an infant comes off pretty strange. I feel like it's seeking a license to be the kind of asshole a kid can be while avoiding the responsibility you gotta take as an adult.

RIP Rainfurrest because of exactly that.

Creepy is as relative as sexual intrest. Bugs are creepy but they are still a part of our furry fandom, plus adults dressing up as animals, drawing furries and roll playing as anthro chracters is creepy in the first place.

*puts my hand on my hips and raises an eyebrow*

Like are you really bringing that into the conversation?
 

Ricky

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why would anyone do it? it's nasty and disrespectful

Well, yeah. It certainly is. People do fucked-up things sometimes.

My main thought here is whatever person does such a thing has some very repressed feelings they are too scared to express to others verbally.

They therefore turn to extreme means such as this to try an pacify their desire to communicate.

Then again, it might have been a prank by either a cub or the larger furry community in general.

Furs have also been known to smear mayonnaise all over the elevator walls in the hotel, so I wouldn't think it is beside them.
 

Ricky

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Creepy is as relative as sexual intrest. Bugs are creepy but they are still a part of our furry fandom, plus adults dressing up as animals, drawing furries and roll playing as anthro chracters is creepy in the first place.

There's a saying, "Once you are perfect then you can judge me."

Creepy doesn't equate to a wrong in my opinion, unless it is intentionally brought into an unwanted situation with others.
 

scet

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There's a saying, "Once you are perfect then you can judge me."

Creepy doesn't equate to a wrong in my opinion, unless it is intentionally brought into an unwanted situation with others.

Oh yeah, creepy isn't a bad thing or wrong. Doing somthing like forcing it on others is just being a jerk, but this conversation was started with a question about this actual topic so this is a perfectly appropriate place to talk about it. I'm just saying BRN is seeming to say it's creepy and inappropriate to talk about period in this thread or in general.

Ok the sassy part might have been unneeded and I know I'm just assuming that what BRN meant I might have jumped the gun but idk

But yeah I agree with everything you've said so far ricky, sorry I didn't reply to your parts of the conversation yet I'm at work and just now got on my lunch and need more than just a few seconds to read all your posts
 
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