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Ricky

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Oh yeah, creepy isn't a bad thing or wrong. Doing somthing like forcing it on others is just being a jerk, but this conversation was started with a question about this actual topic so this is a perfectly appropriate place to talk about it. I'm just saying BRN is seeming to say it's creepy and inappropriate to talk about period in this thread or in general.

Yeah, I'm all for conversations where we point out things absurd, for the lulz if nothing else :D

I was pointing out a general trend in opinions I have seen on the interwebs that are spoken very adamantly by the few who apparently don't afford the same during panels at cons.

I went to this one panel at RF on cub porn and obscenity laws hoping for a fight, or at least some good heated debates.

To my surprise, everyone agreed art should fall under the constitutional right of freedom of the specific lawful definition of expression.

Ok the sassy part might have been unneeded and I know I'm just assuming that what BRN meant I might have jumped the gun but idk

Again, I was referring to a general mentality I have seen, but words such as "allow" imply the threat of persecution, or at the very least, ostracization. Phrases such as "should we defend" also imply the us-or-them mentality seen in a group when mob thinking prevails. Most people tend to form opinions based on the others around them for some reason, and not by objective rational thought, resulting in this decline in self-perception and thought.

Social selection is an evolutionary force that helps societies and populations evolve.

This could serve as an example of such pressure:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Friends Like Me: Associations in Overweight/Obese Status among Adolescent Friends by Race/Ethnicity, Sex, and Friendship Type. - PubMed - NCBI

But yeah I agree with everything you've said so far ricky, sorry I didn't reply to your parts of the conversation yet I'm at work and just now got on my lunch and need more than just a few seconds to read all your posts

Lol, it's a forum xD

You don't need to reply to everything, and trust me, you can't offend me :V
 
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Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I don't get why this topic ever had to go into the ethics of consent.

I mean, are we trying to achieve a defense of babyfurs by saying that pretending to diddle is okay as a roleplay thing? Of course it is; I just don't see the link between the premise and the conclusion.

Besides, the problem with ABDL isn't ethics, it's creepiness. Sorry guys. It's really hard to see diapers as cute, and a desire to be an infant comes off pretty strange. I feel like it's seeking a license to be the kind of asshole a kid can be while avoiding the responsibility you gotta take as an adult.

RIP Rainfurrest because of exactly that.

Well, as pretty much everybody here knows, I'm into spanking, but it doesn't mean I actually want to shun my adult responsibilities in real life; I imagine the same is true for most people unlucky enough to have an awkward ABDL fetish.
 

Ricky

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Well, as pretty much everybody here knows, I'm into spanking, but it doesn't mean I actually want to shun my adult responsibilities in real life; I imagine the same is true for most people unlucky enough to have an awkward ABDL fetish.

I think that's pretty common.

I'm not sure if it's related in any way; it may be more of a BDSM thing o_O

IME, babyfurs have a high percentage of manchildren but you probably see the same thing in furry and other subcultures.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I think that's pretty common.

I'm not sure if it's related in any way; it may be more of a BDSM thing o_O

IME, babyfurs have a high percentage of manchildren but you probably see the same thing in furry and other subcultures.

The area of intersection of the venn diagram is non-negligible, let's put it that way.
 

scet

Member
Well, as pretty much everybody here knows, I'm into spanking, but it doesn't mean I actually want to shun my adult responsibilities in real life; I imagine the same is true for most people unlucky enough to have an awkward ABDL fetish.

I actually found self care tips I like to use, using stickers and a chore chart reward system I can actually prepare an adult system and set mature tasks I know have to be done but I can enjoy it as a little activity and actually be a better grown up by knowing how to help guide myself when I'm having fun
 

Inzoreno

The Gentleman Owl
I don't get why this topic ever had to go into the ethics of consent.

I mean, are we trying to achieve a defense of babyfurs by saying that pretending to diddle is okay as a roleplay thing? Of course it is; I just don't see the link between the premise and the conclusion.

Besides, the problem with ABDL isn't ethics, it's creepiness. Sorry guys. It's really hard to see diapers as cute, and a desire to be an infant comes off pretty strange. I feel like it's seeking a license to be the kind of asshole a kid can be while avoiding the responsibility you gotta take as an adult.

RIP Rainfurrest because of exactly that.
I heard that it was due to property damage that caused the con to be evicted from it's previous hotel. One of the chairs of 2015 said as such:

"For the last few years, the Hilton sustained more damage during RainFurrest than it did from every other event at the Hilton the entire rest of the year. This doesn’t even include damage to guest rooms or other incidental wear and tear like the elevators.
This year’s incidents include two plumber calls, a flooded bathroom that soaked the offices underneath, towels stuffed into a hot tub pump, and multiple petty vandalisms and thefts. A final damage report is still being compiled.
We had to send three people to the hospital and call the police twice.
By Sunday morning of con this year, the hotel was so exasperated that they were threatening to evict attendees for single noise complaints."
 

Ricky

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Astus

Well Known Foxxo
i would love to quote everything and stuff like that but I'll just reply; the people are rainfurrest or whatever the name is were disgusting, leaving dirty diapers like that is a hazard to other peoples health/property (the hotel's) and is unacceptable. As for the ABDL community being creepy... yes I can see that it; the idea of a grown man/woman trying to be cute in diapers or regress using them is odd for sure; as well there may be a link into BDSM because of the nature of diapers, but not for all people that are into them. As I've said before some people use them as comfort items and have no real link to that; while some do use them for BDSM related situations. The cub porn is just a plain no, seriously depicting children, even if they are non human, in those obviously adult sexual situations is just gross and pisses me off.
 

Ricky

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The cub porn is just a plain no, seriously depicting children, even if they are non human, in those obviously adult sexual situations is just gross and pisses me off.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

I think the most common complaint I've heard on FA and every other site is "______ porn is gross!"
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

I think the most common complaint I've heard on FA and every other site is "______ porn is gross!"

The most considerable concern is that it could encourage potential child abusers.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
or give them a relief

Or possibly be a 'release valve' for some, but an encouragement to others.

I'm unaware of any research into the subject, probably because of potential ethical concerns and the difficulty of disentangling a very convoluted picture.

Don't you mean the most unfounded concern that has repeatedly been turned down by study after study? :V

Citations please.
 

Somnium

The Sparklewolf
Banned
Or possibly be a 'release valve' for some, but an encouragement to others.

I'm unaware of any research into the subject, probably because of potential ethical concerns and the difficulty of disentangling a very convoluted picture.

should we ban all movies, games, books which do depict violence because it might encourage real life aggression in some individuals?
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
should we ban all movies, games, books which do depict violence because it might encourage real life aggression in some individuals?

Certain forms of violent pornography are banned.

But I digress, this is a convoluted issue.
 

Ricky

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Citations please.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Are Sex Drive and Hypersexuality Associated with Pedophilic Interest and Child Sexual Abuse in a Male Community Sample?

There are more, but you could really just search Pubmed if you are so inclined.

should we ban all movies, games, books which do depict violence because it might encourage real life aggression in some individuals?

Certain forms of violent pornography are banned.

If they contain actual children. I'm assuming we are still in the context of The Land Of Make-Believe :V
 

BRN

WTB Forum Mod Powers
Are we now trying to achieve a defense of babyfurs with a defense of child pornography? :p

I mean, I'd just rather believe they're different topics. They might not be, I'm pretty clueless on ABDL's deeper, darker side.
 

scet

Member
That are two totally different topics, I think the confusion comes from how simular they look to people who are not actually interested in AB DL stuff
 

Somnium

The Sparklewolf
Banned
aren't ABDL suppose to... wait, why there's is a word diaper? oh no.. so this has to be a fetish.. I thought people just wanted to escape this cruel and cold adult world
 
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scet

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aren't ABDL suppose to... wait, why there's is a word diaper? oh no.. so this has to be a fetish.. I though people just wanted to escape this cruel and cold adult world

*is very bad at understanding sarcasm*

It's a huge group with people doing it for all reasons, some find the diaper kinky, some find age play kinky, some find incest dynamics like parent and child kinky, some live cute things like super cute and super love it and what's cuter than a baby or toddler and so they want to be that cute, some really like there childhood and find the world to be a cappy place so in there spear time they want to relive what made them happy.

Personally my childhood sucked, my parents spit, my mom didn't let us watch cartoons or play like most kids. Tbh when I got out of high school I was send to a Strang place, kicked out of my dad's home, came home to be kicked out of my mom's house, pushed into a relationship I wasn't ready for, had to get a job to support this relationship, and all that was to much. Well my childhood sucked too, when my friends would talk about stuff they did as kids or shows they watched I started looking into. To me all this things are brand new to me, and it's just so relaxing. I can play and express myself in a way that makes me feel like it dosnt matter if everything sucks, cause there always something new and fun to find or do. And tbh this is soooo much beer than drinking or using drugs to relax
 

Ricky

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Are we now trying to achieve a defense of babyfurs with a defense of child pornography?

Stop that =P

That are two totally different topics, I think the confusion comes from how simular they look to people who are not actually interested in AB DL stuff

I think it started with the discussion about cub porn, which isn't child pornography.

The "porn" I've seen commissioned by cubs was usually just cutesy stuff where they happened to be naked.

There is cub RAPE over on Inkbunny :V

All the people I've known into the more sexual side of cub porn aren't even cubs.

Many are staunchly opposed to bringing anything sexual into it, in the first place.

so this has to be a fetish.. I though people just wanted to escape this cruel and cold adult world

IME, the majority of cubs have a related fetish, but this certainly isn't all of them.

Personally my childhood sucked, my parents spit, my mom didn't let us watch cartoons or play like most kids.

THAT IS SO SAD! >:c

Well all of it is sad, but especially the cartoon part :V
 

scet

Member
Stop that =P



I think it started with the discussion about cub porn, which isn't child pornography.

The "porn" I've seen commissioned by cubs was usually just cutesy stuff where they happened to be naked.

There is cub RAPE over on Inkbunny :V

All the people I've known into the more sexual side of cub porn aren't even cubs.

Many are staunchly opposed to bringing anything sexual into it, in the first place.



IME, the majority of cubs have a related fetish, but this certainly isn't all of them.



THAT IS SO SAD! >:c

Well all of it is sad, but especially the cartoon part :V

I was grounded for a long time we I was cought watching pokemon on the family laptop
 
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