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what does music do for you?

Traven V

Luna-tic.
So many reasons: to motivate me, to enlighten me, to help see through the madness and the falseness in life, to see the truth, to help imagination, to make me feel better, for the natural high I get sometimes when I connect and tune into it, to make the world a colorful place, to dance to, to know other people feel the way I do, to find others that may feel the way I do and carry the same ideas, virtues, and imagination, to make me feel more than I am, to set my soul free, to escape the world, to ignore others and their words, to summon strength to continue the day when things get difficult, to relax to after the long day, to relieve moments and memories in my life, to feel emotion, to feel passion, to experience someone's creative vision... probably a lot more.
 

aqxsl

Brain Emo
So many reasons: to motivate me, to enlighten me, to help see through the madness and the falseness in life, to see the truth, to help imagination, to make me feel better, for the natural high I get sometimes when I connect and tune into it, to make the world a colorful place, to dance to, to know other people feel the way I do, to find others that may feel the way I do and carry the same ideas, virtues, and imagination, to make me feel more than I am, to set my soul free, to escape the world, to ignore others and their words, to summon strength to continue the day when things get difficult, to relax to after the long day, to relieve moments and memories in my life, to feel emotion, to feel passion, to experience someone's creative vision... probably a lot more.

i like all of this, but i especially like this

to know other people feel the way I doo

music seems like the best way to convey emotional ideas that can't necessarily be put very "well" into words or images

is music our emotional data? a format for encoding abstract ideas/emotions that we can't precisely define, yet we all can "understand"?

is this any different than visual arts (or other art mediums)?
 
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M. LeRenard

Is not French
You know, I was thinking about this, and I decided that it was something I probably shouldn't try too hard to explain. The enjoyment I get from music is eclectic and often ambiguous, and I don't see any purpose in trying to make it more concrete than that. It does make me a terrible music critic, though, because it's just about the only thing I trust my gut on more than I trust anything else. So I can never really explain what's striking to me about a song. Just needs to have that certain flow that generates a pleasing emotional story from start to finish. I tend to not like much pop because most of that just tells the same really brief, really shallow story about 20 times and then stops. I tend to like good jazz and traditional music played on old instruments for the same reason, that the style or the instrument forces the player to put himself into the song, to personalize it. I don't know... it's hard to explain, like I said. Point is, music tends to just generate feelings for me, and so I listen to it to ride those various feelings.
 

Plantar

Soaked In Sin
Music is the one thing that can keep me focused on a project. Like, say I'm working on a 3D model. If I have the right music going along to it, I can become practically entranced and working on my project. I know a bunch of people who are the same way. It just... Keeps me focused.
 

Magick

Posing school graduate
As for why, mostly for enjoyment and it allows me to tune out and relax/meditate. I tend to create scenarios that play like music videos that reflect the kind of mood I'm in as well as what music is playing, though it's not always a pleasant mood or scenario the feelings I experience tend to be amplified and expanded depending on how the melody and rhythm flows, as well as the content that's being portrayed. Visualizing and experiencing all the things I do when music I enjoy is almost hypnotic, sometimes it feels I'm on the brink of just disappearing from this life and flying away in such a euphoric way it's incredibly difficult to put it in words, as many people have already said. Honestly, I'm somewhat surprised I typed up as much as I did because trying to describe what music does for me and how it affects me, is like describing how it feels to do something that defies the very laws of this reality and believability.

For example, when I'm feeling somewhat lonely and depressed and I start playing a song that makes me happy and sad at the same time, I sometimes feel like I'm floating across water as stars dance around and creatures swim below in synch to the poly-rhythm, energy and magic flowing from my body and the planet as the brilliant starlit sky keeping up with the melody as a large island grows closer. Lip-syncing the words as ethereal beings dance somberly with smiles all around, drifting through the air and into the sea as shards of memories appear showing moments of joy and contentment as I reach the sandy shore with the waves lapping at my ankles. As the song comes to an end, a familiar face I've never seen before appears with a warm smile. Then I begin to feel happy again. As the song slowly dies off, this makes its mark on my mind, leaving the feelings I experienced in it's place as it fades away.

Well, I did my best and failed horribly but I guess that's to be expected of something like this. Everyone experiences the arts differently, at different intensities, with different results.

Edit: Not to self: Stop posting in threads after 4 energy drinks and a stressful day.
 

aqxsl

Brain Emo
You know, I was thinking about this, and I decided that it was something I probably shouldn't try too hard to explain. The enjoyment I get from music is eclectic and often ambiguous, and I don't see any purpose in trying to make it more concrete than that.


i hear ya, but i disagree.

do you believe there is a limit to originality in music?

bear with me here, but i think this has a common thread with other art forms like literature.

what is the point of writing a story? similar to music, probably to communicate ideas, feelings, experiences...(but not as abstractly)

literature hits a wall in terms of what it can convey since it's limited by the medium (aka language). i think you could argue that something like film is the evolution of "literal" storytelling since it expands what is "conveyable" (ideas, feelings, expriences...) by adding a visual element.

this is some meta-shit, but is music constrained by the medium of sound? will music (or whatever music does) evolve as a medium so that we can convey more/different abstract things?

if we can better define what music does, then we can understand the limitations of the medium and maybe do more interesting things that serve the same "purpose"

alright, i'll shut up now
 
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i hear ya, but i disagree.

do you believe there is a limit to originality in music?

bear with me here, but i think this has a common thread with other art forms like literature.

what is the point of writing a story? similar to music, probably to communicate ideas, feelings, experiences...(but not as abstractly)

literature hits a wall in terms of what it can convey since it's limited by the medium (aka language). i think you could argue that something like film is the evolution on the "literal" storytelling method since it expands what is "conveyable" (ideas, feelings, expriences...) by adding a visual element.

this is some meta-shit, but is music constrained by the medium of sound? will music (or whatever music does) evolve as a medium so that we can convey more/different abstract things?

if we can better define what music does, then we can understand the limitations of the medium and maybe do more interesting things that serve the same "purpose"

alright, i'll shut up now

Wasn't the purpose of music videos to further the capabilities of artists to convey a message or tell a story? Otherwise, I think music is confined to some combination of sounds, though the types of sounds or their origins have nearly limitless possibilities, so that's not much of a constraint anyhow...
 

greg-the-fox

Well-Known Member
It's almost like a tactile feeling, I get really into the tonality and rhythm, and what I call the texture of music. It's probably why I like a lot of glitch and house stuff. It's all about the details for me. I listen to music like a producer. I'm also into interesting chords and progressions, so jazz-related stuff really gets me going.

It clears my mind and helps me focus my thoughts, keeps me from being bored when doing something repetitive, and sparks my creativity and imagination.
 

aqxsl

Brain Emo
Wasn't the purpose of music videos to further the capabilities of artists to convey a message or tell a story? Otherwise, I think music is confined to some combination of sounds, though the types of sounds or their origins have nearly limitless possibilities, so that's not much of a constraint anyhow...

definitely, but music videos just bring music into the context of literal storytelling

if music serves a unique purpose, which i think is convey abstract emotional ideas that can't be as well communicated through literal mediums, then the question applies to the abstract communication instead. is this abstract communication limited by the structure of music as we know it?

also, yeah there are infinite sounds, but isn't the way we arrange these sounds how we encode these abstract ideas? is this meaningful arrangement finite?

one more thing, does it have to be sound?
 
definitely, but music videos just bring music into the context of literal storytelling

if music serves a unique purpose, which i think is convey abstract emotional ideas that can't be as well communicated through literal mediums, then the question applies to the abstract communication instead. is this abstract communication limited by the structure of music as we know it?

also, yeah there are infinite sounds, but isn't the way we arrange these sounds how we encode these abstract ideas? is this meaningful arrangement finite?

one more thing, does it have to be sound?

True, music is much more subliminal rather than literal. It is limited by the collective imaginations of those who attempt to produce music, if you consider that a limit at all. Who says there has to be a meaningful arrangement of sounds for it to be music? If you go by the dictionary definition of music, then yes it does include sound. But I suppose it's not so concrete...

How would you define music without the need for sound?
 

Demensa

Characterless sack of potatoes
i hear ya, but i disagree.

do you believe there is a limit to originality in music?

bear with me here, but i think this has a common thread with other art forms like literature.

what is the point of writing a story? similar to music, probably to communicate ideas, feelings, experiences...(but not as abstractly)

literature hits a wall in terms of what it can convey since it's limited by the medium (aka language). i think you could argue that something like film is the evolution of "literal" storytelling since it expands what is "conveyable" (ideas, feelings, expriences...) by adding a visual element.

this is some meta-shit, but is music constrained by the medium of sound? will music (or whatever music does) evolve as a medium so that we can convey more/different abstract things?

if we can better define what music does, then we can understand the limitations of the medium and maybe do more interesting things that serve the same "purpose"

alright, i'll shut up now
This is getting good!

Note that these answers are highly opinionated...

The originality of music is a very good question. All music has inspiration. Musicians generally take popular ideas in music (for example, western music with 12 notes in an octave, a 4/4 time signature) and use what other people have done to create something similar, but to give it a slight twist, to make it unique. Some people don't like doing things similar to what others have done; They actively try to create something new and different to what has already been created, still using other songs as inspiration... just that it is inspiration for what the song should not turn out like... And so musical progress is made.

Sadly, I feel that it is becoming much more difficult to find completely new ideas musically. Take irregular time signatures. People often use different time signatures as a sort of musical statement, to say "I'm being different". However, many people like to try and be different, so we end up with quite a lot of songs and bands that play in mainly irregular time signatures. Other people see that the irregular metre approach to being different has already been done, so they branch out elsewhere, trying out noise and dissonance, fusion genres, new sounds (increasingly electronic), modes and unusual scales. While it will never be impossible to generate a song that is different to another one, the probability is always increasing that it is similar to one that already exists. This is fine when it comes to popular music (pop, rock, electronic, classical). We re-use chord progressions, melodic lines and rhythms all the time. We like it. It's comfortable. At least we still get variation from the combination of lyrics, rhythm, melody, chords, etc. all together. So what I've been trying to say is that popular music will always be self similar due to former songs being used as inspiration and with avant garde and unique music it will steadily grow more difficult to create distinctly different approaches to music. It's kind of like an out-hipstering contest.

I would say that music could definitely be evolved from the simple idea of sounds that we have today and that it already has been in certain ways. I would class certain types of visual art and films in this way. The thing is, the mediums for all three are vastly different, so we've already taken the liberty of classifying these into visual art, films and music, even though they have some unifying aspects of generating certain feelings and catching our interest. It's just the label that makes us see things differently.

Even though I know there's a lot more to this on both sides of the argument, I'm going to stop here because it's late and I've been thinking too much...
Also, some more meta stuff: How subjective or objective do you think music is? Can you be brought up to think music with atonal centres is the catchiest shit ever and hate western music, simply based on the experiences and emotions that you have attached to them while growing up? (There are probably many scientific studies on this, but I've forgotten all of the ones I've read.)

We provide the emotion... music is just the key.
 

aqxsl

Brain Emo
True, music is much more subliminal rather than literal. It is limited by the collective imaginations of those who attempt to produce music, if you consider that a limit at all. Who says there has to be a meaningful arrangement of sounds for it to be music? If you go by the dictionary definition of music, then yes it does include sound. But I suppose it's not so concrete...

How would you define music without the need for sound?

subliminal is a good word for it

sure we can say the imagination isn't limited (which i'm not sure i'm convinced of either, but that's a topic probably best discussed off forum), but is music? that's the crux of what i'm saying here. someone can imagine whatever, but in order to communicate that imagination to any one else, you need to encode it in something that the other can consume/interpret.

how much of the original idea/thought/feeling is lost by encoding it into music? aka is there a way we can change the format to communicate an imagination more potently? or is the real appeal of music the personal interpretation of this 'lossy' data?

music without sound would be something that doesn't use to audio to convey comprable abstract ideas. i can't think of anything specifically, but i don't thing it's infeasible

plus, i want to agree with you that there doesn't have to be a meaningful arrangement of sounds to be music, but i'm not convinced. like you'd think noise as a genre is case in point since its chaotic, but then again it's chaos that's been purposely arranged for some reason. would you say there is some music that isn't intentionally structured to a degree? hmm...that's an interesting thought. maybe something like field recordings, the music is just the sounds of life; i guess that isn't necessarily arranged (but it was purposefully recorded, wtf?).
 

TeenageAngst

Banned
Banned
This argument reminds me a lot of The Resident's Commercial Album, it's basically 40 one minute songs crammed together. Their theory was that, since a pop song was just a verse-chorus combination that cycled 3 or 4 times, they could create a lot of smaller songs with the same construction but without repetition, essentially giving every song an entirely unique feeling with no predictability. The album runs the entire gamut of the avant-garde genre. Most of it sounds like musical dadaism but there's a decent number of songs on there that are surprisingly good. I think it really demonstrates just what the limitations of the musical medium are in a tongue-in-cheek way.
 

Demensa

Characterless sack of potatoes
how much of the original idea/thought/feeling is lost by encoding it into music? aka is there a way we can change the format to communicate an imagination more potently? or is the real appeal of music the personal interpretation of this 'lossy' data?

I'd say you hit the nail on the head with that last part. The closest thing I can think of in terms of more literal imagination communication would be a theoretical future situation where our minds can interact on the same level as PCs on the internet. (That is, a future where the 'singularity' has occured.) Of course I'm still not sure whether such a direct sharing of ideas could occur, or if there would still be information lost in the process. I can't really see audio 'music' being surpassed for lack of a better term. I can see different art forms arising though.
 

meowchi75

Member
It depends on the genre...most rap on the radio makes me aggressive, but tecno makes me hyper and dramatic and orchestra music helps me when I'm drawing or trying to focus on homework
 

M. LeRenard

Is not French
i hear ya, but i disagree.

do you believe there is a limit to originality in music?

bear with me here, but i think this has a common thread with other art forms like literature.

what is the point of writing a story? similar to music, probably to communicate ideas, feelings, experiences...(but not as abstractly)

literature hits a wall in terms of what it can convey since it's limited by the medium (aka language). i think you could argue that something like film is the evolution of "literal" storytelling since it expands what is "conveyable" (ideas, feelings, expriences...) by adding a visual element.

this is some meta-shit, but is music constrained by the medium of sound? will music (or whatever music does) evolve as a medium so that we can convey more/different abstract things?

if we can better define what music does, then we can understand the limitations of the medium and maybe do more interesting things that serve the same "purpose"

alright, i'll shut up now

Well, there would be a difference between music that's lyric dominated (like rap) and music that's sound dominated (violin concertos, or what have you). I think we all agree that rap is less about the sound and more about the poetry; it's music because it's done to a beat, but it's much more reminiscent of early types of music, which were usually just poetry readings with a lute on hand or whatever. So in that way music and literature have the same purpose.
I think wordless music is one of the most confusing and abstract forms of art, though, because yes, it is constrained by the medium of sound. You listen to a song, it passes by you exactly once, and then that's all you get until you play it back again. If you want to analyze a song, you have to rewind and play back certain parts. It's not like art or writing where you can focus on certain aspects of the piece for indefinite periods of time.
Then you run into things like how different cultures get completely different reactions to completely different kinds of music. If you play a soaring concert piece full of emotional chords, dramatic changes in volume and tempo, and a long strenuous buildup to a grand and epic conclusion to the members of an isolated tribe in Tasmania, they would not describe it in those words (this is an experiment that's been done, by the way). Sort of like how if you were to have them come perform one of their most potent and emotionally invigorating songs to a US audience, most people would probably just look on either with confusion, distaste, or mild interest. Some white guy in a suit isn't going to get up and start dancing to it, more than likely.
So I think it's extremely complicated, why music works like it does, and I for one would have no idea how to start parsing it down so it makes sense. So instead I just sit back and enjoy it when I can.
You know what I mean.
 

Kahoku

Forgive Yourself
Music shakes me out of my bad moods, music shakes out my soul and rejuvenates my mind. Music makes me come alive again and will always be something I treasure.
 
I wish I had the attention span to explain just how much music effects me. This is the worst part about ADD.

Not that anyone would actually take the time to read it.

It definitely does more than change my mood. I can tell you that much.
 

burakki

Member
Huge motivational factor or something to rely on when it's a bad day.

Classical for studying, and everything else for leisure/exercise
 

Armaetus

Nazis, Communists and Antifa don't belong on FA
It helps keep some sanity.
 

randomite93

That Guy
Well, there's a LOT of reasons why I myself listen to music. First of all, as an amateur musician, I get inspired by game OSTs, chillout and electronica music, so my music is pretty weird :p

I also listen to it simply to relax. If I'm stressed out, I put on a good chillout song, or game OST, and start smiling again instantly!

Recently, I've been listening to binaural beats and rain sounds (not really music, but meh xP) to try and astral project o-o

So yeah, I can't really focus on ONE particular reason when there are just so many :D
 
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