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Wolfblade

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If this site and community, not to mention simple morals and decency, mean something to you, please read. If not, keep walking.

Short Version: After hindering this site tirelessly since he was removed from the staff, Arcturus' most recent hack attempt has been rewarded by being unbanned and made an unofficial member of staff in the respect that he will be trusted to point out the holes he finds rather than just hack them as he has done for the past year and a half.

Details and brief history Follow:

When Arcturus was part of the staff, he did a lot of good for the site. He asked to have a bit more executive control of the site as appreciation for such, or he would leave. Specifically, the fight that was the last straw was over him banning Oz for being a bad moderator (in Arc's opinion). Jheryn said no, Arcturus left.

For those that weren't aware, that was the cause of that first big downtime that took FA months to recover from, and it was the beginning of the grudge that has been the cause of every major downtime and hack attempt since.

Arcturus has hacked the site many times. I have one source who says that every single hack attempt on the site has been either Arcturus or one of his ArtPlz minions. Another source says there have been many hacks that were from people completely unassociated with Arcturus. There are two sides of that story, but neither side can deny that Arcturus HAS been solely responsible for, if not all, then the majority of the hacks that have denied this community use of this wonderful service.

Arcturus (among others) brought us ChanPlz. A site that refused to acknowledge any DNP requests. People could post any artwork from any artist, and if the artist showed up to protest, they were freely bashed and ridiculed. ChanPlz was taken down. Respect for personal creator wishes, or even simple copyright law, was completely non-existent. Unless you could prove to THEIR satisfaction that you were losing money over it, they gave you the bird.

Arcturus is credited for being behind WTFur. A similar site to ChanPlz, which came about after ChanPlz was removed, not for reasons of decency and respect, but as a PR move to try and save ArtPlz's image. WTFur was also built on a solid foundation of "fuck artists' rights and wishes."

The first of the recent Admin Lock modes was due to yet another hack by Arcturus. He took over Dragoneer's account, banned a user he had a personal gripe with, made nasty remarks in Dragoneer's name, and then told the staff 'I'll tell you how I did this and help you fix it if you unban me and let me help work on the site.'

The staff gave in to this demand which aside from being yes, "lol intarbutts", is still, by definition, terrorism and blackmail.

The "official" stance is that Arcturus is not "official" staff. He is merely allowed to play his hacking games on the condition that he reports holes he finds and helps close them.

There is nothing more than good faith in Arcturus' trustworthiness holding him to actually report any holes he finds whatsoever.

Arcturus has demonstrated not only a complete disregard for the interests of this site and it's community, but an absolutely unhealthy obsession with interfering with it whenever the mood may strike him. He has established a complete disregard for the concepts of respect or decency towards artists, their rights and wishes, and people in general. ANY suggestion that he can even remotely be trusted can only come from either friends an supporters of his past destructive actions, or people who are not aware of his long and rather pathetic history of attacking this community.

Now, Arcturus is unbanned, acting as a "white-hat" for the site, supposedly reporting holes he finds. As a reminder, he has considered all his hacks as "helping" in that he simply chose that method to point out the holes he found. The administration is simply trusting his word that he will actually report the holes he finds, and there is nothing whatsoever keeping him from doing what he has already done time and time again.

ONE Admin solidly and firmly stood against giving the message of disrespect to the community that it would be to allow this person to even be unofficial staff. One Admin believed that defending the site against Arcturus' hack attempts was simply part of the job, and that giving in to his blackmail demands would send a horribly clear message to the entire community that the single most maliciously destructive user FA has ever had can be made staff as a reward for once again denying this community the use of THEIR site. That one Admin is the only one who has ALWAYS taken a firm and solid stance in the name of defending the peaceful and productive members of the community against those who are here simply to harass and deconstruct any progress they can.

Arc has been made an unofficial off-the-books staffmember as a debugger. The Admin who was more in favor of dealing with the extra effort of keeping his threat out as a way of showing his respect to the members of this community that Arcturus has done nothing but disrespect has been the target of not only the majority of the people attacking this entire community, but also is under fire from his fellow staffmembers for doing nothing more than trying to defend this community from those who the rest of the staff seem afraid to piss off.

Defending this community should be at the exclusion of those who compromise the well-being of the community. One of the Admins gets this, and takes the heat that comes with it. Almost all the rest of the staff also seems to be in favor of cutting back on the bullshit, but are either afraid of the backlash that the troublemakers cause, or are held back by the very few members of staff who seem to feel that a problem isn't a problem until AFTER people are duking it out over it.

If you feel in any way connected to this site and community, and feel there is something wrong with the staff discussing firing Myr, a staffmember who was willing to continue to put forth the effort to fight Arcturus' hackings and E-terrorism, while simultaneously welcoming back into the community the single greatest individual cause of community upset, please speak up.
 

Zero

New Member
i would like this asshat perma banned please, if you dont mind ;3, i personaly like the site the way it is and think Myr is doing a grand job.
 

Litre

Member
You like holes? You like hackers worse than Arc to tear your precious FA apart like a ragged boy by a vicar? Yeah. You like your FA to be helped? You want it up? This e-terrorist is offering help, and you go insane. If you wanted to do FA any good, you'd shut your piehole and let the admins do their business. If anything bad happened, only THEN you could go on a rampage against them and start another holy war.
 

Ruffy

New Member
what? wow as far as their reasoning goes it makes no sense but Myr is great leave him do his job =^.^= and if indeed arcturus does the job they ask then i haven't a problem with him coming back

and this is somthing bad Litre, i dont mind that arc com back but fireing Myr is a bit much
 

TehSean

weasyl.com/profile/naoki
Wolfblade is asking his friends to reply to this.

I was given this message:

"ThatWolfbladeGuy: I have a HUGE favor to ask that would absolutely mean the world to me. If you could just take 5 minutes, register for the FA forums, and respond:

http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=2706

I am asking everyone on my buddy list, and as much as I know everyone hates forum drama, I am only asking for the time to sign up, read it, and back me up if you agree with me. If you don't agree, then I apologise, and please don't say anything. There will be no shortage of people disagreeing, this is just really one of those things where I need my friends to support me here, or at the very least just ignore my latest crusade and forgive the bother.

" at 6:10:16 PM (Pacific Standard Time)

Yes, it's related. Yes, it's important to state that. It's a side that most people will not see, so why not let them get a clearer image?


As for this post's original intent: I do not care.

edit: Why I was given a message is beyond me since I never figured that he liked me much.
 

Wolfblade

Member
Zero said:
i would like this asshat perma banned please, if you dont mind ;3, i personaly like the site the way it is and think Myr is doing a grand job.

BlackTail said:
i agree, Myr is only doing his job to help us

Read again. They're talking about firing Myr for doing such a great job. And I think that sucks.
 

snowcloud7983

New Member
I find it hard to believe such a predicament could have happened to the point where a person is rewarded for causing harm. It is appauling to say the least. It is something that could only be put to past experiences, where kings would ally themselves with a stronger enemy only to not be attacked themselves. It is completely unreal and unfair to those that try everyday to stop it. It is like spitting in the faces of those that tried to protect this place. Having to now listen to someone that should not have any say in any business this place has to begin with. To give a person like that, even the smallest amount of power, is one of the most idiotic and cruel moves that a person can do. I am not sure what they were thinking when they let this guy in as an "unofficial" anything, but to allow him to continue to do this so he can "find the holes in the system" is, to put it bluntly, STUPID!! I know I am not a known speaker and I usually only like to read. But this is just something that shouldn't have been done to begin with, and then to try to fire the guy that was actually doing the right thing? It is like saying what he did was nothing, and are trying to protect him. I just can't believe that they would just cave in like that and give him that type of position. But this is just me talking. Sorry if I seem like I am ranting.
 

MaLaKa

New Member
Hmm this all seems rather unrational. Mry does his job and does it well. I dont see the reason behind unbanning Arc and giving him admin to purely show holes in the site. He should however take in what he has done and apologise for what attempts he has done and by telling the coders where the holes are and how they are being exploited. As for trust. Well for somone to turn with such agression purely suggests that they are untrustworthy. Also I would consider this change in mood to have an alternate motive behind it. It just seems too.. quick and simple.

Admins should be weary.
 
Litre said:
You like holes? You like hackers worse than Arc to tear your precious FA apart like a ragged boy by a vicar? Yeah. You like your FA to be helped? You want it up? This e-terrorist is offering help, and you go insane. If you wanted to do FA any good, you'd shut your piehole and let the admins do their business. If anything bad happened, only THEN you could go on a rampage against them and start another holy war.

Why don't you just SHUT THE H*** UP?! I'm sick and tired of people like you bashing people for reasons like this. If you don't like it, go somewhere else and rant about it. We don't need people like you here.

On the other hand, I personally agree with Wolfblade. Arcturus should NOT be allowed to remain on FA, no matter WHAT his intentions. Hacking is just wrong, and it shows that some guy has nothing better to do than mess with other people. I think Myr is doing a better job than Arc is. Let hmi stay.
 

Ruffy

New Member
my main concern is that fa will turn into Y! where all the admins were immature and treated everyone like that name tag meant somthing, i realise this site is free and i coudn't be more thankful but i can't help thinking that the position of admin is to serve the needs of the site over those of indiviudal people, if brining arc back will do that then awesome, but we all know that firing Myr will not be helpful and will probably be harmful
 

dbruin

New Member
That doesn't seem like the smartest way to deal with someone who constantly disables a site and harrasses the community...
 

Kaji Ryuuko

Member
Ok, let me get this straight. They fired Myr for doing his job, doing his job greatly as a matter of fact. That is...just plain stupid. I mean that's like firing the president for passing a law, expelling a student from high school for learning, killing someone on death row for donating to charity. It doesn't make sense!

In the case of Arcturus, he was sent to perma-ban status. Now if the admins forgot what permanent means! Let me show the definition!

per·ma·nent Pronunciation Key (pûrm-nnt)
adj.

1. Lasting or remaining without essential change:
2. Not expected to change in status, condition, or place

There's my two cents! Like it or lump it!
 

MaLaKa

New Member
Its like.. voting Osama for president in the hope he will know more about terrorism.. its just.. retarded?
 

Lodoss-12

New Member
Ok It's Like I said to Myr about This crybaby Arc

Arc is a VIRUS to FA. He's a spoiled brat who belives if he cant run things, No one gonna use it. so what does he do? He HACKS FA So Everyone suffers. And what do these admins do? THEY MAKE HIM A Debugger!?

Im Sorry But the Admins are being Too lazy in dealing with a SERIOUS Issue pertaining to the well-being of FA it's self, beause giving him even the SLIGHTEST bit of authority is BAD on too many levels to me.
 

MaLaKa

New Member
I think this topic should be made a header on the actual FA site.
Im sure its well aware that only a very small percent read these forums compared to the site.
 

Silver Fenrir

*is great in the sack*
I say just wait... If it gets ugly in the future, then I reckon there'll be an exodus. Again.

But, for now, let's just wait this out and see where it goes.
 

Wolfblade

Member
Silver Fenrir said:
I say just wait... If it gets ugly in the future, then I reckon there'll be an exodus. Again.

But, for now, let's just wait this out and see where it goes.

I'm personally tired of the exodus routine that waiting seems to promote. Rather than wait for him to do again what he's already done repeatedly, I say stop ignoring the past and learn from it.

Learn, and Move On. That doesn't mean forget what people have made themSELVES known for.
 

cesarin

Famous Huggable Dragon
Im fully against arcturus and his constant "I need to have the spotlight always" kindof behavior..

let's face it, once he gets bored, he will ask for MORE.
and I bet if the current admin team refuses, he will have more than enought weapons to fire and destroy FA..

re-accepting arcturus is a completely pathetic, and their "help buddies" in the admin team are showing equally pathetic excuses to accept him back.

I just hope preyfarkeeps things working . because if Arcturus did take FA down once,he will do MANY TIMES..regardless of what.... his childish behavior will let force him to do so.

I wouldnt be surprised if he uses his acknowledge to atack people who has grudges or showed their opinion against him..
hell I woudlnt be surprised if he's targetting kurtz and others already.(including me )
 

Dragoneer

Site Developer
Site Director
Administrator
cesarin said:
I just hope preyfarkeeps things working . because if Arcturus did take FA down once,he will do MANY TIMES..regardless of what.... his childish behavior will let force him to do so.
Oh, I will... I know people assume we don't know what we're doing, but we do. It's hard to explain things right now, I know. =/
 

lightfox

New Member
Well, i remember most of these events to have taken place indeed. Arcturus's past is accusing him and shows that he's not really trustworthy. He should proove his good will by stopping attacking the site for a time before claiming he genuinely wants to help.

Not to mention to just for the principle, he shouldn't be associated with people who are working for the community whereas he's constantly trying to attack it.
 

Wolfblade

Member
MaLaKa said:
I think this topic should be made a header on the actual FA site.
Im sure its well aware that only a very small percent read these forums compared to the site.

Quoted for truth.

Since people seem fond of killing positive progress by making Y!G comparisons, I'd like to point out that their big booboo was doing something so many users disagreed with becaue they felt they had no other choice, but never bothered to ASK the users for alternatives.

Inform your community of the facts of Arcturus' history, the problem he represents and causes, the fact that his unbanning was in response to blackmail, and see what they think of letting him back in.

Put this publicly on the site, and see if the reaction is a bit different than the usual voice of the people who have managed to weed most dissent for them out of these forums.
 

Litre

Member
have you any wool...

Arc is not. NOT.

READ AGAIN.

NOT.

...an admin.

Dragoon of Light: No, you be quiet, and keep a civil tongue. Do you realise a lot of companies hire *experienced* hackers to work for them? Yes, because they actually lend aid into further securing their networks, even in the most unorthodox and creative ways.

Its like.. voting Osama for president in the hope he will know more about terrorism.. its just.. retarded?

wow, that sort of...is? I do you were trying to make it a point of voting another president, in hopes of having a person already experienced as a president? In either case, you botched up.
 

facek

Member
Why do you have to use such big words Wolfblade, and elaborate so much when what you are trying to say is very simple?

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Arcturus has hacked FA on multiple occasions and forced the site to be closed. I think he is a bad person and will be detrimentle to this community because he will crack up the site again and bring on more downtimes. Dragonmyr did not agree with the other admins and was ousted, what do you people think?
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Isn't that what you are trying to say? It's a lot easier to read and when you are trying to get a general opinion it's better to make things short so everyone reads it. Try to stick to facts as well.
 

millerjsullivan

New Member
Doesn't Sound Good

TehSean said:
Wolfblade is asking his friends to reply to this.

I was given this message:

(rest deleted)

Well obviously he isn't asking only his friends, because you don't seem to like him much. ^^

Still, I think if someone cares about problems enough to try to get people involved, this is a healthy sign. If people did this all the time (how dare we be interrupted from our valueble video-gaming and porn for political issues!!) it could certainly get annoying.


This is not a drama-issue or directly related to furry fandom, by the way. These kinds of mechinations are part and parcel to human history, and stuff like this is happening elsewhere too, in and outside of the furry scene. I'm sure there is stuff like this in some Shakesperian plays.

But the problem has to be dealt with. Society is a series of institutions... some official and some unnoficial. When helpful/friendly or workaholic (but not neccesarily friendly or unfriendly) people are the ones who keep institutions running, things run smoothly and people can be happy. However, when virilant, harmful, cruel, uncaring and destructive individuals are involved in the running of instuitutions - through theft, trickery, coercion and blackmail - it spreads and affects everyone. It will rot your whole system from the inside out, from top to bottom.

With no safe places to post quality original art, and no respect for artists basic wishes, there will be no more new high quality art at all, just "reprints" of the same old stuff. It will spread to the non-furry places to... to everywhere, everything. It will all turn to shit, and nothing will have any intrinsic or emotional value. Look at the Soviet Union (or any place run by the local Mafia or crime gangs) as an example. That's about the worst-case scenario. I think all societies are at risk, to some extent, from these kinds of people having power. If we ordinary people cannot control ourselves and the institutions we have influence over, then someday "strong men" will be called in to do it for us, and freedom will die, wars will be faught.

Destructive hacking (as opposed to non-destructive exploratory/learning-based hacking - also called "modding") is a threat to the entire Internet, since any insecure server is a launch-point for attacks on other servers, and so on. It is therefore (unfortunatly) the concern of law enforcement if this is allowed to go on, and if administrators allow criminal activity to continue while being fuilly aware of it's existance, they will be held responsible before the law. An untrustworthy or unauthorized, malicious staff person is a pretty big security hole in itself. It's worse because everyone is aware of it, as opposed to cases of not knowing it exists.

The currency of fandom is desire and creativity. Sociopathic individuals try to control these things a number of ways. One way is to hold power over artists, to take their work and do with it as one pleases, or to even blackmail them into doing what they want. And for those who hate furry fandom or who hate "porn" (it's usually the kind of porn, and not porn in general), they can only control such people with abuse and terrorism - try to make it so hard for them to be happy with themselves and what they personally like that they are forced to "work for the man" and do the usual "normal" (but unsatisfying and ultimatly stupid) stuff. I don't think it is in anyone but the most mediocre personalities interests to see fandoms becomes corrupted or die. With no way to be happy in modern leasure class/industrial society, people will become increasingly cruel and destructive, stupified and antisocial.
 
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