What is with all of this "My little pony" stuff? (The unofficial official MLP Thread)

[CannonFodder]

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Imho "first future Twi" is just "future Twi" from the stable loop, it's the same because it's "stable" and it played out exactly the same for both of them, but whatever, let's not let this discussion become an endless loop (since we arrived at a simple difference in opinions)

Time travel and time itself is probably dictated by Cadence considering her name means time.

Spoiler: episode finale guessing

Since time travel is canon that must mean the episode finale somehow ties into the last episode. It's possible that she is from another time/timeline/parallel equestria. If someone can control time itself they can control the universe...

You know I just had a thought, since she can control time and alot of stuff in Equestria can't logically be explained other than by it being earth somehow, it is possible that cadence is from a parallel timeline and that equestria is a parallel timeline earth that exists do to direct action by her.

If I had to take a guess since we didn't know about her until only recently the timeline must have warped around her to adjust for the alteration, her only recent reveling might be the timeline warping.


......Shut up I watch a lot of science fiction.

 

[Unsilenced]

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Episode #20 was really fun to watch but I dislike it when cartoons and stuff cover time travel. Fallacies everywhere. ;~;

-Past Twilight receives message from future
-Future Twilight gives message to past

Acceptable, but when did the loop start? :s

When did anything start?

If we live in a cyclic universe, all of time may be a loop, making time travel just a sub-loop. Perhaps all moments in time exist simultaniously, and we, as observers, simply move between them, usually at a constant rate and in the same direction.

 

[Toboe Moonclaw]

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Time travel and time itself is probably dictated by Cadence considering her name means time.

Spoiler: episode finale guessing

Since time travel is canon that must mean the episode finale somehow ties into the last episode. It's possible that she is from another time/timeline/parallel equestria. If someone can control time itself they can control the universe...

You know I just had a thought, since she can control time and alot of stuff in Equestria can't logically be explained other than by it being earth somehow, it is possible that cadence is from a parallel timeline and that equestria is a parallel timeline earth that exists do to direct action by her.

If I had to take a guess since we didn't know about her until only recently the timeline must have warped around her to adjust for the alteration, her only recent reveling might be the timeline warping.


......Shut up I watch a lot of science fiction.

Spoiler: Cadence guessing

Come on Lauren, please be trolling and Cadence just turns out to be a fan of musik.
But the Cadence = time-keeper Theorie does sound fine, she's an alicorn (iirc), which would fit with Celestia/Luna representing Day/Night cycle being alicorns, making Alicorns special talents lie in the Celestial field (i.e. everything you'd say : "God did it!" if you didn't know science). But seasons instead of time in general would fit to, wouldn't it? (then it's either just her saying when the next season is due, or the pony's of ponyville only do part of the seasonal work (would be one possible explain there actually being winter, since not bucking clouds wouldn't turn them from rain to snow))

 

[CannonFodder]

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When did anything start?

If we live in a cyclic universe, all of time may be a loop, making time travel just a sub-loop. Perhaps all moments in time exist simultaniously, and we, as observers, simply move between them, usually at a constant rate and in the same direction.

From what I know about our current understanding of physics the past is uncertain and the future is set in stone. You could travel back in time change the past, but changing the future is a bit harder since there is no such thing as freewill and that the primary uncertaintity is nuclear decay and quantum physics, but that doesn't dictate important historical events. Think of it as final fantasy 13-2, the actions that led twilight to going back in time to warn herself could be fluid and change, but the problem is that in order for the timeline to not have any paradoxes she HAD to go back in time no matter what path she took. All the events up to her traveling back in time were unimportant, the actual time travel was the only important point timeline wise. To use a fictional situation imagine that you went back in time to stop 9/11 by reporting to the feds about the terrorist attack, the actions that led you to decide to go back in time are fluid, but the actual event has to happen. Basically you can prevent the hijackers from taking over the planes, but you can't prevent the twin towers from falling cause that would be a paradox cause you wouldn't have a need to go back in time to stop the attack.

tl:dr; the events leading to the reason of why someone would travel back in time to prevent something are fluid, but the actual event can't be changed.

 

[Unsilenced]

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From what I know about our current understanding of physics the past is uncertain and the future is set in stone. You could travel back in time change the past, but changing the future is a bit harder since there is no such thing as freewill and that the primary uncertaintity is nuclear decay and quantum physics, but that doesn't dictate important historical events. Think of it as final fantasy 13-2, the actions that led twilight to going back in time to warn herself could be fluid and change, but the problem is that in order for the timeline to not have any paradoxes she HAD to go back in time no matter what path she took. All the events up to her traveling back in time were unimportant, the actual time travel was the only important point timeline wise. To use a fictional situation imagine that you went back in time to stop 9/11 by reporting to the feds about the terrorist attack, the actions that led you to decide to go back in time are fluid, but the actual event has to happen. Basically you can prevent the hijackers from taking over the planes, but you can't prevent the twin towers from falling cause that would be a paradox cause you wouldn't have a need to go back in time to stop the attack.

tl:dr; the events leading to the reason of why someone would travel back in time to prevent something are fluid, but the actual event can't be changed.

If twilight had even behaved slightly intelligently, she would have created a paradox. Anything but an exact mimicry of what she did the first time would have produced different results. Even in a fatalistic universe, time travel cannot let you directly interact with your past self, or in any way let your past self know what it was you did, otherwise they can change it and fuck everything.

You also can't really change anything, because you already did. If the hijacking occurred, it occurred. If you go back in time, it will still occur, and you know this because you have already gone back in time and it already occurred. Whichever way you choose, that was the way you chose before, and it lead to the events that happened.

The only thing you can "change" are unknowns, and even that's relative. You could go back in time and save a bunch of people you've never heard of and will never see again because you didn't know you already did that. Of course, you already saved them, so you're only making good on past heroics.

Basically, if you're going back in time to prevent a known disaster, you're fucked. You failed before you even tried. If you're going back in time to find out how something happened, or just to make unknown people have a better day, you might have a chance.

On the plus side, you know that you can't cause a universe-ending paradox because you didn't the last time. :v

 

[Milo]

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it didn't work. you hear me? IT DIDN'T WORK. muhuhuahaha, I'm still normal.

 

[CannonFodder]

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it didn't work. you hear me? IT DIDN'T WORK. muhuhuahaha, I'm still normal.

"Me thinks my lady doth protest to much" [/jk]
Oh well, if you don't like it whatever. To each their own like aristo said.

If twilight had even behaved slightly intelligently, she would have created a paradox. Anything but an exact mimicry of what she did the first time would have produced different results. Even in a fatalistic universe, time travel cannot let you directly interact with your past self, or in any way let your past self know what it was you did, otherwise they can change it and fuck everything.

You also can't really change anything, because you already did. If the hijacking occurred, it occurred. If you go back in time, it will still occur, and you know this because you have already gone back in time and it already occurred. Whichever way you choose, that was the way you chose before, and it lead to the events that happened.

The only thing you can "change" are unknowns, and even that's relative. You could go back in time and save a bunch of people you've never heard of and will never see again because you didn't know you already did that. Of course, you already saved them, so you're only making good on past heroics.

Basically, if you're going back in time to prevent a known disaster, you're fucked. You failed before you even tried. If you're going back in time to find out how something happened, or just to make unknown people have a better day, you might have a chance.

On the plus side, you know that you can't cause a universe-ending paradox because you didn't the last time. :v

In all likelihood had twilight not travelled back in time the universe would have probably just erased the original timeline along with time travelling twilight. Meaning had she not gone back in time at the end of the episode the episode would never have happened.
While going back in time and talking to herself is a paradox, the paradox was resolved at the end of the episode by turning the moments she was talking to herself into a fixed point.

It's basically like duct taping a tear in the space-time continuum, as long as twilight doesn't do anymore time traveling to that same point they have nothing to worry about.

If she goes back to that point in space-time again... well you can probably guess what would happen.

 

[Ariosto]

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it didn't work. you hear me? IT DIDN'T WORK. muhuhuahaha, I'm still normal.

Congratulations! To each their own, as usual.

 

[CrazyLee]

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What are the chances of a Portal-esque episode happening?

*Twilight falls through portals and achieves terminal velocity*
*another portal opens in the side of a tall mountain*
"I CAN SEE CANTERLOSHITICAN'TSTOP"

And then she ends up.... ON THE MOOOOOONNNNN!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCe62kzqtF4

Wow, only just noticed Appleblooms pretty close to saying "pissed".

She said "hitched." :/

 

[Unsilenced]

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In all likelihood had twilight not travelled back in time the universe would have probably just erased the original timeline along with time travelling twilight. Meaning had she not gone back in time at the end of the episode the episode would never have happened.
While going back in time and talking to herself is a paradox, the paradox was resolved at the end of the episode by turning the moments she was talking to herself into a fixed point.

It's basically like duct taping a tear in the space-time continuum, as long as twilight doesn't do anymore time traveling to that same point they have nothing to worry about.

If she goes back to that point in space-time again... well you can probably guess what would happen.

If she didn't go back in time based on an experience that was directly caused by her going back in time, shit wouldn't work unless it just took her back to the moment before "future twilight" showed up and ran from there without the appearance of future twilight. Of course, if that were the way the timeline were laid out, then that would be the way it was from the beginning.

She can't make a choice to not do something she already did.

 

[CannonFodder]

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She can't make a choice to not do something she already did.

Exactly.

If you want a extreme case of a time loop watch red vs blue season 3, there's about 50 time loops that compound on each other in there that in the end gets resolved.

 

[Toboe Moonclaw]

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it didn't work. you hear me? IT DIDN'T WORK. muhuhuahaha, I'm still normal.

Gz, thanks for being open minded enough to try it.

 

[Unsilenced]

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Exactly.

If you want a extreme case of a time loop watch red vs blue season 3, there's about 50 time loops that compound on each other in there that in the end gets resolved.

A resolved time loop is impossible at the most basic level of logic. It's defined as something that didn't happen, "that which is false." If it had happened, it would have happened, and therefore would not have been resolved. It's hard to get more impossible than the very definition of impossible.


Plus RvB has time duplicates interacting, which is several additional types of impossible.

EDIT: Note that I'm using "impossible" in the most literal way possible. Not "well if they had god powers it would be possible" impossible, but 1=0 impossible, like God making a boulder so big he can't throw it, something that is that isn't, completely true but completely false, that kind of impossible. In layman's terms, it is "absolutely positively unquestionably un-fucking-possible."

 

[CannonFodder]

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A resolved time loop is impossible at the most basic level of logic. It's defined as something that didn't happen, "that which is false." If it had happened, it would have happened, and therefore would not have been resolved. It's hard to get more impossible than the very definition of impossible.


Plus RvB has time duplicates interacting, which is several additional types of impossible.

EDIT: Note that I'm using "impossible" in the most literal way possible. Not "well if they had god powers it would be possible" impossible, but 1=0 impossible, like God making a boulder so big he can't throw it, something that is that isn't, completely true but completely false, that kind of impossible. In layman's terms, it is "absolutely positively unquestionably un-fucking-possible."

As you said it's a paradox, but not a universe ending one cause at the end of the day Twilight did the right thing and just gave up worrying about the past few days. Twilight was being stupid in this episode, but at the end she did the smart thing and just gave up trying to change the past and the worst thing she could have done was try and fix the impossibility.

Time travel may be possible, but it's pretty much pointless cause no matter what twilight couldn't change the begin and end of the time loop cause those were fixed points.

 

[BRN]

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When did anything start?

If we live in a cyclic universe, all of time may be a loop, making time travel just a sub-loop. Perhaps all moments in time exist simultaniously, and we, as observers, simply move between them, usually at a constant rate and in the same direction.

That's actually a really, really good description of time as a dimension. You're pretty much spot on. But to move "through" time would require more than one time dimension, and in our universe we're stuck with 3 spatial and 1 time, rather than the other way around.

Shame really. :<

 

[CannonFodder]

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That's actually a really, really good description of time as a dimension. You're pretty much spot on. But to move "through" time would require more than one time dimension, and in our universe we're stuck with 3 spatial and 1 time, rather than the other way around.

Shame really. :<

There is also another possiblity of creating a wormhole in which one end is moving at a speed close to the speed of light.
Downside: Would take so much energy that it might as well be impossible.

 

[CrazyLee]

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Season 2 Episode 9:
Wow, most of those socialites that Rarity is trying to impress are the type of people I like to light on fire. Alfred, fetch me my flamethrower.

Rarity has the best singing voice EVER.

Derpy Hooves with a paper bag on her head!!!
Also, name the other ponies you see in this.

Episode 10: Spike Hits Puberty.

Did anyone else notice the end of this episode was a reference to King Kong?

 

[Ariosto]

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Episode 10: Spike Hits Puberty.

Did anyone else notice the end of this episode was a reference to King Kong?

The question is "who didn't?". People who haven't heard of King Kong, of course.

 

[Shà nwà ng]

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Journey to acquire McDonald's Pinkie Pie toy.

Day 1:

Today ended in disappointment. I arrived at the closest McDonald's and asked if they stocked the pony in question. Rather than name the pony, I decided to describe it, pink body/pink hair, that easy, to the broken english voice on the other end. She replies with the a 'huh'. I tried a second time but that ended the same way. Then, as either a master of steering the conversation or displaying skills trained to level of most parrots, she asks 'you want happy meal?"

"Yes," I broke down in frustration, willing to gamble on the toy I want.

"Boy or girl."

"Girl," I replied. She must be smirking on the other end of the drive thru mic knowing that once again she's blocked another person from finding out what toys they have. Corporate must be proud. I order a chocolate milk, if that's what you want to call what McDonald's sells.

The payment happened unceremoniously, she held the face that looked like she was only half way through her shift. Bored out of her mind, I provided little challenge. She swiped my debit card and handed the receipt back to me.

I waited anxiously in my car at the pick up window. Is tonight a lucky night?

The guy serving at the window hands me my box. I immediately rip the top open and dig for the toy, it was a transformer. Fuck transformers, I want a pony. I frantically waved the guy down before he would walk off. He returns.

"Needed the girl toy, BRO," I called out when he opened the window, handing the toy back to him. "The pink one," I mentioned just before he closed the window. He nodded and headed back, only coming out with two toys. Fluttershy and Twilight Sparkle. Slightly heartbroken and shuttering in revolt at the thought of owning a TS toy, I reluctant accept FS, knowing that I'll have to refine my tactics if I plan on owning a Pinkie Pie. Tomorrow, shall be different.

 

[CrazyLee]

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Slightly heartbroken and shuttering in revolt at the thought of owning a TS toy, I reluctant accept FS, knowing that I'll have to refine my tactics if I plan on owning a Pinkie Pie. Tomorrow, shall be different.

If I get a pinkie pie I'll trade with you. :3

Edit: .... And what the hell is wrong with Twilight, n*gga?!

 

[Shà nwà ng]

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If I get a pinkie pie I'll trade with you. :3

That's very kind of you. =3

Edit: .... And what the hell is wrong with Twilight, n*gga?!

She needs to be about 20% cooler.

 

[Milo]

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I don't mind the show though if it's any consolation. it's something I'd probably watch every now and then if I had cable lol

 

[CannonFodder]

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I don't mind the show though if it's any consolation. it's something I'd probably watch every now and then if I had cable lol

I know how it feels to not have cable, it sucks. I can't even watch doctor who anymore.

 

[Unsilenced]

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That's actually a really, really good description of time as a dimension. You're pretty much spot on. But to move "through" time would require more than one time dimension, and in our universe we're stuck with 3 spatial and 1 time, rather than the other way around.

Shame really. :<

>>Things to casually mention to someone who is high.

 

[Commiecomrade]

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I still think there is nothing she could have done, since it's already happened. But if she can go back in time, that means everything is already determined by fate, and thus Equestria is doomed to fulfill prophecy.

She could have entered another universe by flipping a coin, Futurama style, but that's unlikely to work.