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What's With All The NSFW Hate Lately?

Jackpot Raccuki

Although half canine, is not a wolf.
Don't bother fighting idiots, they'll bring you down to their level of stupidity and beat you with experience at being stupid.
Just vibe and laugh at them, otherwise;
 

TyraWadman

The Silent Observer
You expressing your opinion on NSFW is no different than them expressing their opinion on NSFW and there is nothing wrong with that.
The only problem is that some people here like to jump to conclusions without fully understanding (or even fully reading) the opening post.
Is someone talking about the overwhelming NSFW things there are? Yes.
Are they telling you to remove it? No.

Are they talking about NSFW content and the NSFW attitudes of other furries they have come across? Yes.
Are they expecting everyone in the fandom to disperse because of their own personal experience? No. I'm sure many people would say yes for 'teh lulz' but it's obviously not gonna be a thing that happens.

Unless someone is going out of their way to contact you, or encourage other people to contact you and tell you to remove your NSFW content, I wouldn't take it so personally. Not because I wanna tell you how to act per say, but rather, why give yourself that kind of anxiety in the first place? As long as you aren't harming anyone and you're tagging your work accordingly, live and let live.
 

Rayd

philosophy & psychology nerd
You expressing your opinion on NSFW is no different than them expressing their opinion on NSFW and there is nothing wrong with that.
The only problem is that some people here like to jump to conclusions without fully understanding (or even fully reading) the opening post.
Is someone talking about the overwhelming NSFW things there are? Yes.
Are they telling you to remove it? No.

Are they talking about NSFW content and the NSFW attitudes of other furries they have come across? Yes.
Are they expecting everyone in the fandom to disperse because of their own personal experience? No. I'm sure many people would say yes for 'teh lulz' but it's obviously not gonna be a thing that happens.

Unless someone is going out of their way to contact you, or encourage other people to contact you and tell you to remove your NSFW content, I wouldn't take it so personally. Not because I wanna tell you how to act per say, but rather, why give yourself that kind of anxiety in the first place? As long as you aren't harming anyone and you're tagging your work accordingly, live and let live.

honestly after the first 1 or 2 pages i've been starting to believe that the people that are calling out the other threads are just offended because they're really involved in the NSFW side of the fandom and are offended when they seriously don't even need to be. nobody is telling anybody how to live or to change who they are. i don't think it's possible to reason with some of them, though.
 
R

Ruki-the-Zorua

Guest
Why would there even be a quarrel or any sort of unrest of NSFW anyways? If that is what some prefer, then it would be in their best interest to leave it be. If they have a problem with it, it shouldn't be taken to measures of such extremities. All the extra stuff just feels unnecessary.
 

Lunneus

Perpetually Tired
I've seen quite a few folks on twitter being really abrasive about nsfw content, like they're not saying to remove it but they're being really nasty about it, particularly towards people who enjoy it.

Personally i'd like to see a little more sfw content on the front page of fa, but it's whatever, I don't have some major beef about it like some of the twitter folks. That's what people like to enjoy and I enjoy it from time to time too, that's just a part of the fandom. Any fandom, really.

So the sudden uprising of people vehemently against it seems pretty unnecessary. Unless they're specifically up in arms about nsfw showing up in general-rated; now that's an actual issue.
 

Kurushimii

Depressed Monster
I can probably explain each point in this unfair argument that people give towards NSFW artists, especially being as I used to pretend to hate NSFW content (although it was only because I was singled out for actually drawing NSFW art only because I saw an artist I used to support do it.)
So here are the points I'm willing to cover...;

I really, really don't care if you don't like adult content. I'm all for personal freedom, and if you can't stand sex, by all means, avoid it. But, my problem starts when people start berating others who happen to like or love it, usually because "It gives the fandom an image I don't personally approve of".

It's somewhat true I suppose, furries do unfortunately have a reputation for the sexual aspect of the community, but that's only because people outside the community are too blind to clean furries or, ahem... Minors. So really, it's not NSFW artists' faults that nobody is paying attention, you're right about that.
First of all, there are literally strong adult sides to literally ALL fandoms. And honestly, I don't know how the anime community doesn't have a worse rap than we do. I feel like our fandom is singled out simply because we don't use human characters and nothing more.

From my own personal experience, this is definitely one of the reasons why toxic furry haters go around on random furry videos and accuse you of sexually abusing animals, no matter how old you are. What I think is the most unfair is how they accuse furries of bestiality just because of NSFW featuring, might I add, very human-like non-human characters. All because they're fictional animals that resemble the real ones. It's also strange to me how that accusation comes up since pretty much all of the community wants zoophiles dead. Half of the time the characters aren't even depicted with accurate genitalia, but human ones. (I personally don't get the human organs because I'm OCD about how the character looks.) But yet somehow that's the major point brought up about how all furries are somehow sexually attracted to actual animals.
In my case, I was accused of bestiality when I was only 12 years old, had no sex drive, and was obviously a virgin, therefore I couldn't have harmed an animal, but anti-furries tend to go after kids the most because they're cowardly, can't pick on someone their own size.
Second, I can't stand the idea of wanting to completely change the nature of our community just to make it more palatable to people who are likely never going to like us anyway. All of the people who call us "degenerate" are usually far-right conservatives anyway; people who can't even stand people who aren't white, Christian and cis-het, let alone those who do anything that wasn't considered normal back when Ike was president.

It's not really about politics that people call us "degenerates" simply because we can't or simply don't want to draw humans, they just look at a furry (or sometimes, ironically non-furry) characters and go "ew, furry" or "all furries are degenerates" simply because when they look at a humanoid animal character they see it as cringy by default. I honestly don't get how drawing animals is "degeneracy" when people have been drawing or painting animals for centuries. Going off of that logic, the people who work/worked at Walt Disney Pictures, Hanna Barbera, and MGM Studios are all degenerates for making the Mickey Mouse series, Looney Tunes, and Tom & Jerry (who ironically started off as humans before they were depicted as a cat and a mouse, humans being animals themselves, making it a form of hypocrisy.)
Third, I'll readily admit that the SFW side of the fandom is weak. My ex is a SFW artist, and he's struggling badly right now to get any attention. However, instead of berating adults for liking adult things, I'd much rather see people come together and build the SFW side of the fandom to be stronger. Maybe we won't get there, but if the weakness of the SFW side *really* ticks you off, then it's worth a shot, right?

Not all of the SFW side is weak. That's a pretty unfair generalization. Some artists just don't want to draw porn so they reside in the SFW side. It's nothing serious.

In any case, I've just had enough of being told off for liking NSFW content only because it makes people like Ben Shapiro dislike the fandom.
And don't forget, I don't have a problem with people who don't like NSFW content. I have a problem with people who don't like people who like NSFW content.

That's understandable, but not all SFW furry artists or non-furries are like that. I've known plenty of human-only artists who are quite supportive, really. You've just seemed to be unlucky enough to meet only non-furries who are assholes.
 

ExoSoldier

I like spaghetti
Not that it's any of my business, but I can't exactly control what does and doesn't piss me off. And since I've found no less than three people complain about topic I'm about to get into within the last week or so, it's time for me to say something. Ahem

PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FURRIES WHO ENJOY NSFW CONTENT.

I really, really don't care if you don't like adult content. I'm all for personal freedom, and if you can't stand sex, by all means, avoid it. But, my problem starts when people start berating others who happen to like or love it, usually because "It gives the fandom an image I don't personally approve of".
First of all, there are literally strong adult sides to literally ALL fandoms. And honestly, I don't know how the anime community doesn't have a worse rap than we do. I feel like our fandom is singled out simply because we don't use human characters and nothing more.
Second, I can't stand the idea of wanting to completely change the nature of our community just to make it more palatable to people who are likely never going to like us anyway. All of the people who call us "degenerate" are usually far-right conservatives anyway; people who can't even stand people who aren't white, Christian and cis-het, let alone those who do anything that wasn't considered normal back when Ike was president.
Third, I'll readily admit that the SFW side of the fandom is weak. My ex is a SFW artist, and he's struggling badly right now to get any attention. However, instead of berating adults for liking adult things, I'd much rather see people come together and build the SFW side of the fandom to be stronger. Maybe we won't get there, but if the weakness of the SFW side *really* ticks you off, then it's worth a shot, right?

In any case, I've just had enough of being told off for liking NSFW content only because it makes people like Ben Shapiro dislike the fandom.
And don't forget, I don't have a problem with people who don't like NSFW content. I have a problem with people who don't like people who like NSFW content. Rant over. Let the replies begin.
I have a strong hate towards NSFW.
Although, its mostly my fault for being dumb enough to see what MATURE meant, and thus I enabled it on furaffinity. That scared me, I was only 14.
I don't hate the people who look at NSFW, I just hate the people that distribute it to young people.
 

Punk_M0nitor

Resident Edgelord
See, there's a difference between disliking NSFW content and going out of your way to be blatantly rude about it.

If you're an adult who dislikes NSFW content---maybe finds it visually unappealing or have a negative association with sex---there is no shame in that. Lots of adults don't like NSFW content or just plain weren't expecting it to come up on their feed. Toggle SFW settings, abstain from sexual conversations, maybe go on websites that don't allow NSFW content to begin with, and go about your day. It's perfectly reasonable.

What's not reasonable is attacking NSFW content creators for what they do or make just because you don't like it. As long as it's consensual and legal, what's the big deal? Just because you're not part of that audience doesn't mean you have to shame the content creator for catering to them. I actually lost followers because a whole adult from Instagram found out that I have NSFW content on my FurAffinity page and was apparently so shocked that I, someone who is legally able to create and distribute NSFW content, had drawn some tiger titties that they felt the need to tell me I'm suddenly a degenerate. It's just baffling and immature behavior.
 

Punk_M0nitor

Resident Edgelord
I have a strong hate towards NSFW.
Although, its mostly my fault for being dumb enough to see what MATURE meant, and thus I enabled it on furaffinity. That scared me, I was only 14.
I don't hate the people who look at NSFW, I just hate the people that distribute it to young people.
That's one of the unfortunate dangers of being on a website that allows NSFW content to be displayed. It's not intentionally distributed to young audiences (anyone preying on young people in that manner is disgusting)---it's available for the older audience on that site to look at, and it's no fault of the content creator that someone else failed to properly use SFW settings. Twitter has a lot of the same problem with minors accessing NSFW content by using unrestricted settings even though the content creators tell them to stay off their page

But on the other hand, I don't fault you for disliking it after being exposed to it in that fashion. As long as nobody is harassing content creators, there's really no problem with people hating NSFW content in my opinion. Everyone has their preferences and discomforts. There is a very good chunk of the fandom who are uncomfortable with NSFW content for similar reasons to yours. I think the bigger issue with NSFW hate is not that people dislike the content, but the fact that many go out of their way to harass or discredit people who make or distribute it. It's one thing to strongly dislike a genre. It's another to try and stifle that genre just because you don't like it
 

LameFox

Well-Known Member
There are people deeply upset by pretty much any given thing. I wouldn't worry over a handful of successive rants on a forum.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
Far as getting your hackles up when people start talking about how there is “too much” NSFW content in fandom, there’s history there. I don’t know if that history has contributed to @FluffyShutterbug’s reaction specifically, but it’s still an important factor overall. I haven’t seen as much of it in the last couple of years, but it used to be depressingly common to see people lashing out against artists who draw smut (mostly in aggregate, though I don’t doubt some people may have decided to confront individual artists directly), calling them sellouts and in general acting like people who draw only SFW content are somehow morally superior. That shit is not cool.

It also seems from this thread that some people are willfully overlooking certain aspects of NSFW negativity.
“There should be less NSFW” is negative. “There should be more SFW” isn’t.
“Degeneracy” is judging and negative - it’s not a neutral word. There’s value loading to it, and any time you use a loaded word you should take that into account.
Suggesting that SFW is superior to NSFW is negative. Saying that you personally prefer one or the other isn’t.

As for NSFW art being necessary for success, I think Ursula Vernon would beg to disagree. I know there’s more reasonably big artists in fandom who don’t do NSFW at all, but I’m shit with names and in general have a Swiss cheese memory so I don’t have more names to drop offhand. If you include people who do soft cheesecake, you probably get even more.

I maintain that the perception of outsiders’ view of fandom is generally overrated. Most of the people who do have fucks to give are vocal assholes who make Internet noise. I genuinely feel bad for you if you have had personal experience of people outside the Internet giving you shit, but I don’t think they are anywhere near a majority. The city of Pittsburgh by all accounts loves Anthrocon. Nordic FuzzCon this year (and probably past years as well but I can’t speak for that since I wasn’t there) had an open house and from what I understand ran out of guest badges. People loved it.

There has been a spike in threads that one way or another judge NSFW content and/or artists who create it and/or people who consume it. I don’t think this is indicative of a rise in such opinions; it’s probably just somewhere between a coincidental cluster of threads and people feeling motivated/empowered to create their own threads after seeing others.

Don’t fool yourselves - whatever negative perceptions there are of fandom won’t change because the proportion of NSFW content changes. Haters gonna hate, and they will dig up whatever dirt they can find if they feel they need to in order to make their point.
 
Far as getting your hackles up when people start talking about how there is “too much” NSFW content in fandom, there’s history there. I don’t know if that history has contributed to @FluffyShutterbug’s reaction specifically, but it’s still an important factor overall. I haven’t seen as much of it in the last couple of years, but it used to be depressingly common to see people lashing out against artists who draw smut (mostly in aggregate, though I don’t doubt some people may have decided to confront individual artists directly), calling them sellouts and in general acting like people who draw only SFW content are somehow morally superior. That shit is not cool.

It also seems from this thread that some people are willfully overlooking certain aspects of NSFW negativity.
“There should be less NSFW” is negative. “There should be more SFW” isn’t.
“Degeneracy” is judging and negative - it’s not a neutral word. There’s value loading to it, and any time you use a loaded word you should take that into account.
Suggesting that SFW is superior to NSFW is negative. Saying that you personally prefer one or the other isn’t.

As for NSFW art being necessary for success, I think Ursula Vernon would beg to disagree. I know there’s more reasonably big artists in fandom who don’t do NSFW at all, but I’m shit with names and in general have a Swiss cheese memory so I don’t have more names to drop offhand. If you include people who do soft cheesecake, you probably get even more.

I maintain that the perception of outsiders’ view of fandom is generally overrated. Most of the people who do have fucks to give are vocal assholes who make Internet noise. I genuinely feel bad for you if you have had personal experience of people outside the Internet giving you shit, but I don’t think they are anywhere near a majority. The city of Pittsburgh by all accounts loves Anthrocon. Nordic FuzzCon this year (and probably past years as well but I can’t speak for that since I wasn’t there) had an open house and from what I understand ran out of guest badges. People loved it.

There has been a spike in threads that one way or another judge NSFW content and/or artists who create it and/or people who consume it. I don’t think this is indicative of a rise in such opinions; it’s probably just somewhere between a coincidental cluster of threads and people feeling motivated/empowered to create their own threads after seeing others.

Don’t fool yourselves - whatever negative perceptions there are of fandom won’t change because the proportion of NSFW content changes. Haters gonna hate, and they will dig up whatever dirt they can find if they feel they need to in order to make their point.
I am actually aware of the history, lol. I'm one of the few newer furs (Having joined in 2017) that's aware of the "Burned Furs". And every now and again, they seem to want to come back and pull the same sh*t that they did before.
 

Water Draco

Next LondonFurs?? Please stay tuned
Something I have noticed is there seems to an increase in people not knowing or just ignoring the settings for content filters for what they post.

Too often I'm seeing NSFW content slipping into my feeds on social media platforms just because the people posting them have not flagged them as sensitive/mature content.

Some social media platforms could also make these settings easier to implement by not hiding them away in the user setting so deeply, and make it clearer for people to understand the function of these settings.

For instance with Twitter if a person is posting content that may be lightly to cause offense, NSFW then they have to dig around in there user settings and privacy, then safety and privacy, then safety and set the check marker for "Mark media you tweet as containing material that may be sensitive".
But to understand what they class as sensitive you have to dig around in the terms of use and published responses to people asking the question.
 

ConorHyena

nazi hunter
I maintain that the perception of outsiders’ view of fandom is generally overrated. Most of the people who do have fucks to give are vocal assholes who make Internet noise.

The nugget of wisdom on this thread. Personal experience is that the internet makes people's balls grow, but once they have to face you IRL and say that shit to your face they usually shut up and are quite pleasant.
 

ClumsyWitch

Occult Vulpalope
honestly after the first 1 or 2 pages i've been starting to believe that the people that are calling out the other threads are just offended because they're really involved in the NSFW side of the fandom and are offended when they seriously don't even need to be. nobody is telling anybody how to live or to change who they are.
True that, after all the presumed accusation within this and similar threads I have rarely if never read anything along the lines of
- NSFW furries are the problem of our fandom
- I hate sex
- NSFW furries need to change their behavior
- Sexual freedom in this community should definitely be limited
or similar things. Like, geez, everybody should calm their tits for a second.
 
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