Who are the best artists here?
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Dragoneer said:
Is it wrong to want some attention, though? I mean, I draw because I love to do it. I've wasted many a night that should have been spent on schoolwork idling away in sketchbook pro, and I try my hardest to get better and better... but I really love getting comments and fav's too... (even if I rarely get comments)
Is that bad?
That's a good question. My answer? If you LOVE to draw, getting the rewards that can come from art are not a bad thing. Satisfaction, attention, etc. are not inheritly evil. Some people draw just BECAUSE it will get them attention, other people draw because they love it... and the attention comes naturally.Taristin said:Dragoneer said:
Is it wrong to want some attention, though? I mean, I draw because I love to do it. I've wasted many a night that should have been spent on schoolwork idling away in sketchbook pro, and I try my hardest to get better and better... but I really love getting comments and fav's too... (even if I rarely get comments)
Is that bad?
So, I guess it depends on motives. Attention is not a bad thing, but what makes an artist GOOD is another story.
Arshes Nei
Masticates in Public
emiya said:
>.< There's a good way to hurt someone's feelings.
I never really have a list of "Best" artists because there are a lot of artists that excell at different aspects in illustration, or graphic design.
Arshes Nei
Masticates in Public
Well the reason I said what I did, is that everytime someone brings up this kind of thread and people actually list people:
I always hear drama about how a friend or someone left "So and so out" or they feel they suck when they're not listed. It's just a headache overall, because someone always gets offended when you make lists.
As Dragoneer said, it's a very subjective thing, that's why I never have a "Best" because I find many things interesting and different as well as refreshing.
I always hear drama about how a friend or someone left "So and so out" or they feel they suck when they're not listed. It's just a headache overall, because someone always gets offended when you make lists.
As Dragoneer said, it's a very subjective thing, that's why I never have a "Best" because I find many things interesting and different as well as refreshing.
vashdragon
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Me im one of the best.... Well no not really.
But Yah they have a point, it has the potential to hurt feelings. Instead of asking who is the best artists here you should probly be asking for specific subjects or asking for peoples perticularly favorite artist.
For example, my favorite artist is Narse because he does awesome 4 legged dragons. But i have a ton of artists i like to watch and stuff. Just do what i do, hit the browse link and browse a couple of pages each day and start watching anyone who has a style you like.
I could start listing all my favorite artists... but thats a very long list.
But Yah they have a point, it has the potential to hurt feelings. Instead of asking who is the best artists here you should probly be asking for specific subjects or asking for peoples perticularly favorite artist.
For example, my favorite artist is Narse because he does awesome 4 legged dragons. But i have a ton of artists i like to watch and stuff. Just do what i do, hit the browse link and browse a couple of pages each day and start watching anyone who has a style you like.
I could start listing all my favorite artists... but thats a very long list.
ArrowTibbs
Probably still lives in a giant bucket
Dragoneer said:That's a good question. My answer? If you LOVE to draw, getting the rewards that can come from art are not a bad thing. (snipped)Taristin said:Dragoneer said:
Is it wrong to want some attention, though? (snip)
Is that bad?
I think that it's okay to want attention. There have been nights where I've been working on something and it has come out EXACTLY like I wanted it to. I message whoever I'm talking to just to show it off
It's not so much whoring as "Eeeee! It came out like I wanted!"Almost any sort of feedback is wonderful; critique is flattering because someone actually took the time to look at it for flaws and report them to you so you can do better next time. Outright praise and phantom-faving is great too.
vashdragon
Member
ArrowTibbs said:Dragoneer said:That's a good question. My answer? If you LOVE to draw, getting the rewards that can come from art are not a bad thing. (snipped)Taristin said:Dragoneer said:
Is it wrong to want some attention, though? (snip)
Is that bad?
I think that it's okay to want attention. There have been nights where I've been working on something and it has come out EXACTLY like I wanted it to. I message whoever I'm talking to just to show it off
Almost any sort of feedback is wonderful; critique is flattering because someone actually took the time to look at it for flaws and report them to you so you can do better next time. Outright praise and phantom-faving is great too.
(Sorry i didnt snip the quote but i wanted to keep the entire convo.)
I tend to draw for the sake of just seeing if i can as well as the attention. The attention tends to tell me im doing it right, and i absolutely love looking back and my art and saying "Damn, I drew that." Which ive done since the very first picture i drew of a dragon. And the attention and praise i got from all my early pictures just encouraged my attitude. And now that ive gotten to a point where my limitations are more obvious, the praise and attention i get from others still makes me feel like im actually improving and makes me feel better about my art as a whole.
ArrowTibbs
Probably still lives in a giant bucket
VashDragon: Exactly. There is nothing like getting a comment on something you did well.
"ArrowTibbs said:Dragoneer said:That's a good question. My answer? If you LOVE to draw, getting the rewards that can come from art are not a bad thing. (snipped)Taristin said:Dragoneer said:
Is it wrong to want some attention, though? (snip)
Is that bad?
I think that it's okay to want attention. There have been nights where I've been working on something and it has come out EXACTLY like I wanted it to. I message whoever I'm talking to just to show it off
Almost any sort of feedback is wonderful; critique is flattering because someone actually took the time to look at it for flaws and report them to you so you can do better next time. Outright praise and phantom-faving is great too.
True that!
So many times I'm like "EVERYONE LOOK!" only because I am so excited.. I'm not trying to bring attention to myself... Well, I am in a way, because I want to spread around my excitement. But you know what I mean xD
Silver R. Wolfe
Wuffamute Extraordinaire!
Pico said:
Screw you both, it's me. =3
Anyway, I post for the sake of getting better. I could keep drawing on my own of course but if people don't comment or give me feedback on things that are wrong it's hard to notice them. One of the most useful comments giving to me was at gaiaonline.com actually... Someone told me my proportions were WAY off, but I hadn't noticed they were. Now I like to think that they're alot better most the time all because one guy was critical of me! I wish I remembered who he was so I could thank him.
Getting noticed just means that there are better opportunities to get good feedback.
Tabuu-Lion
Member
Well that in all is a pretty positive thing. I bet, though, that most of the reason artists don't get "the critique they're looking for" most of the times is because a lot of people are just more open and non-technical about artistic things. It's funny because many times people feel others are blindly commenting nice things or sugar coating things when it's only that they've accepted the art at face value.silverwolfe said:
A really important thing to think about when hoping to recieve critique is if the audience knows what your artistic goal was. That really determines what a pic needs and if you find the critique useful or not. Many times they don't know, and most jabs at trying to help the artist out are a shot in the dark. There are so many ways to draw proportions from various anime styles to The Incredible Hulk to Charlie Brown to what you can look out the window to see everyday.
It's always been hard for me to talk about what a pic needs when I don't quite know what the artist was shooting for. Our egos are oftentimes too fragile to go through someone's laundry list of things they like/dislike to see where we measure up. And sometimes it results in an artist sacrificing their integrity/enjoyment of the craft by chasing someone else's vision of what their art should be.
You know, not to go off on a totally unnecessary tangent or anything e.e
Silver R. Wolfe
Wuffamute Extraordinaire!
Tabuu-Lion said:
Hehe, it was a good tangent. I agree that most of the comments I get aren't very critical but from time to time I'll get little suggestions and whatnot.
I learned a long time not to sacrifice your own ambitions and dreams though just for more people to look at your stuff. I have a goal as to where I wanna get and even though most people don't know it, their suggestions aren't leading me off in a different direction. =3
If I did what everyone wanted me to do, I would be a porn artist right now!
Tabuu-Lion
Member
XD Yeah, sad but true.
And yeah, oftentimes it seems that people just don't really feel like they have the place to criticize, and generally hold back some things that could be quite useful if one needed the information. Usually people like me, who know how demotivating it is to get a list of a million things wrong at one time. I like art as a gradual self improvement and growing process, and when it isn't it isn't quite so fun/enjoyable anymore, you know?
That's why one of very few things that I like about DA are the tags for constructive criticism. Basically lets you know in a clear way the motivation behind someone's art posting which in turn makes it much easier to decipher the artists's goals so you know what to say to them.
Posting something publically on the internet often means everyone's free to criticize however they choose to, but generally the "Advanced critique encouraged" labeling or whatever method you come to use more represents what you want to get out of it. I really find it annoying to see most of the people I do pitch a bitch because of softball commenting when it's their fault they don't get advanced criticism because they don't express how important it is to them.
And yeah, oftentimes it seems that people just don't really feel like they have the place to criticize, and generally hold back some things that could be quite useful if one needed the information. Usually people like me, who know how demotivating it is to get a list of a million things wrong at one time. I like art as a gradual self improvement and growing process, and when it isn't it isn't quite so fun/enjoyable anymore, you know?
That's why one of very few things that I like about DA are the tags for constructive criticism. Basically lets you know in a clear way the motivation behind someone's art posting which in turn makes it much easier to decipher the artists's goals so you know what to say to them.
Posting something publically on the internet often means everyone's free to criticize however they choose to, but generally the "Advanced critique encouraged" labeling or whatever method you come to use more represents what you want to get out of it. I really find it annoying to see most of the people I do pitch a bitch because of softball commenting when it's their fault they don't get advanced criticism because they don't express how important it is to them.