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Why FA was down, but is up again now

uncia

Member
Miriafox said:
Ahahahahahahahaha.. I knew it! For less then the cost of four bottles of Tilex Mold Remover you too can own FurAffinity.org.

And you just posted "Plz stop the drama on this porn/art/story/photography/lulz site. Srsly, I don't think it's necessary." on your FA journal? ;)

Sorry, but that's a rather silly comparison, nothing to do with "own" and we're not even furaffinity.org in the first instance.
Sure; I plugged in yahoo.com (the /right/ one) and it gave me an "Estimated Domain Value" of $150. I'll give you a couple of $100 bills and be expecting change... :)

Possibly better to sanity-check first before making blushworthy comments, IMHO?
d.
 

Rave

New Member
This whole issue of ownership probably needed to be settled sooner or later. So it's better now than later after the new code and even more money has been pumped into the site. Sadly, all art sites that get big have to have such issues settled eventually - see Jark / DA drama.

Jheryn/Alkora's personal issues or money needs are not the concern or responsibility of the community in any case. If he personally needs money, that's just too bad. Join the club.

He is evidently deluded into thinking the domain name has thousands of dollars of value, when it obviously just doesn't, and decided that cashing in was worth more than whatever FA related glory he had left. Fine.

But if, back in Reality Land, the site name actually turns out to only be worth twenty bucks, that's also his problem. And he can just deal with it while the rest of us move on with an art community.
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
Vgm22 said:
I just wanna know something. It seems people are taking sides. What side are you on? Dragoneer's Or Alkora's A.K.A Jheryn? I'm on Dragoneer's side all the way.
Orlith Nemeth said:
Yay Preyfar for fixing things ^.=.^ you gets a hug *hugs*

and thanks to you to for the update Dave ^.=.^ you also get hugs *hug* ^.=.^

others may be cynical, but i have blind faith in our admins, and thats good enough for me, I haven't seen enough bad from you guys to doubt your ability to pull FA from this debacle.

Good luck!
*morningstar said:
Forgive me, but considering that Jheryn is doing this, I'm really not too surprised. Looks like he's going to have to change his name again when everyone finds out.

Thank you Dragoneer for being so dedicated to us.

Of all the times i was tolerant and silent to such blanket and un-deserved thanks, this is probably the hardest moment in my entire life.
It greatly pains me to see that some of the community still thinks that there's only Dragoneer to FA. Pains me so much that it's becoming unbearable.

I only wish i could share some detail with you. But unfortunately, or thankfully - i cannot bring myself to doing so even in the light of the current events.

Just know that there are two poisoned daggers in the back of the administration, and not one.
 

WolfDragon69

Lil Semifox!
Now, I am not very active on FA, as I lack much if any artistic talent. I am even less active on the forums, due to lack of interest in most goings on. I do not have a great insight into the inner working of things, and generally tend to lurk most times. Please take this message and its questions with a grain of salt, for it is simple personal curiosity driving me to write this.

As I understand it, there are a few separate issues regarding this. One, the ownership of the domain name. Two, the ownership of FA code. Three, the legality of it all. Finally, four, the issues of who stabbed who in the back.

On one: Does Alkora/Kheryn own the FA website's current domain? A relatively simple question. If he does, he has a right to sell or trade said domain for its value, perceived or otherwise. The domain and code of the site are separate entities in so far as I know about such things. As for it being in relation to the total value of the site, or it's being a Not-For-Profit site, that is a separate issue and will be asked about on question three.

On two: Who owns the FA site's code? If it was a collaborative effort, then so far as I know, each owns a proportional share. On the subject of selling such code, unless it was stated that the individual's designed code was only being lent or rented to said site, and not given to the site, the sites being not for profit would take hold. (See third question below)

On three: On legality and those issues, I would question my own knowledge of this, as issues of digital copyright, ownership, and management are not my forte. I know the following however: Owning a domain name of a site and owning the sites code, database, and servers are separate issues and separate ownership titles. I do ask if anyone knows differently for certain, and can point me to hard facts, that they do so. As for being Not-For-Profit, and with the askance previous to this sentence in mind, going by strict definitions, you can get all invested monies back, penny for literal penny, on a project, and can elect to take less, but cannot make any profit what so ever and still fit under the same NFP definition. Once again, correct me if I am wrong.

On four: In the end, those are personal issues in my opinion. I can state my opinion all day long, and that wont change. I can understand the desire to sell a resource for needed funds. I can understand protecting an investment of time and energy. I can also understand misunderstandings and drama blowing up in the face of miscommunication regarding both of the aforementioned. If it is admin, coder, and owner miscommunication and drama, then let it settle. By all means, ask your questions, but please, for the sake of all involved, do so in a polite manner and with patience. If you are any of the aforementioned? Thank you for what you have done to help the furry community. Regardless of the drama, I have enjoyed the fruits of your labor.

I suppose in the end I have these things to say: Thank you for Fur Affinity. Thank you for your work, however great or small it may be on the site. Please settle any disputes with the politeness and etiquette I know you are capable of. Above all, remember this: We are all people, however grand or low we may be, and as such, no one is perfect nor has any rights to claim such.

As stated before, if I am wrong on any of these issues, please, let me know. Point me to facts where you can, and try to inform me of it. I hope FA stays up and that this smoothes over soon. Either way, a good run and a good laugh was had by many.
 

Rave

New Member
yak said:
Just know that there are two poisoned daggers in the back of the administration, and not one.

There are even MORE layers of drama to all this? And you can't even tell us about it!?? Can't FA's admins ever settle things once and for all? Damn...

Anyway, for what it's worth I never thought that it was all JUST Dragoneer. But it's evidently hard to tell what is going on or who does what in general behind the scenes lately too as it is. And now you speak as if sworn to silence about some evil conspiracy or something anyway. This is getting maddening for us poor donors and users. What in the world is really going on??
 

Bokracroc

Bokra, come out to pla-ay
yak said:
Vgm22 said:
I just wanna know something. It seems people are taking sides. What side are you on? Dragoneer's Or Alkora's A.K.A Jheryn? I'm on Dragoneer's side all the way.
Orlith Nemeth said:
Yay Preyfar for fixing things ^.=.^ you gets a hug *hugs*

and thanks to you to for the update Dave ^.=.^ you also get hugs *hug* ^.=.^

others may be cynical, but i have blind faith in our admins, and thats good enough for me, I haven't seen enough bad from you guys to doubt your ability to pull FA from this debacle.

Good luck!
*morningstar said:
Forgive me, but considering that Jheryn is doing this, I'm really not too surprised. Looks like he's going to have to change his name again when everyone finds out.

Thank you Dragoneer for being so dedicated to us.
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Of all the times i was tolerant and silent to such blanket and un-deserved thanks, this is probably the hardest moment in my entire life.
It greatly pains me to see that some of the community still thinks that there's only Dragoneer to FA. Pains me so much that it's becoming unbearable.

I only wish i could share some detail with you. But unfortunately, or thankfully - i cannot bring myself to doing so even in the light of the current events.

Just know that there are two poisoned daggers in the back of the administration, and not one.[/size]

Step up to the plate man!
I have rarely seen you step up and shout your input into all of these issues! The fact here is that Preyfar/Dragoneer is the face of FA. People will think of him first unless you make yourself known.
 

Kaiva

New Member
Bokracroc said:
The fact here is that Preyfar/Dragoneer is the face of FA. People will think of him first unless you make yourself known.

MY thoughts exactly, not too many of us realise that FA has a STAFF of individuals who make the site what it is

that and the "code ninjas" do seem to keep a very very low profile, so I'm not surprised you guys get overlooked so much but if its worth anything, I appreciate the work the code crew does to keep the site up and working ^ ^

Also, I'd like to beg for info too, it sounds like were not getting the full picture here o_O
 

Bokracroc

Bokra, come out to pla-ay
Kaiva said:
Bokracroc said:
The fact here is that Preyfar/Dragoneer is the face of FA. People will think of him first unless you make yourself known.

MY thoughts exactly, not too many of us realise that FA has a STAFF of individuals who make the site what it is

that and the "code ninjas" do seem to keep a very very low profile, so I'm not surprised you guys get overlooked so much but if its worth anything, I appreciate the work the code crew does to keep the site up and working ^ ^

Yeah. Who knows who Crypto is?
 

dave hyena

A wonderous moorhen
Kaiva said:
Also, I'd like to beg for info too, it sounds like were not getting the full picture here o_O

There will be a status update about this. But as it is, it's mostly debates and disussion "behind-the-scenes" at the moment, and it needs a bit of time to hammer something out I think.

I know that there are absolutely no plans for FA to have any down time or other service interruptions in the meanwhile though.
 

Bokracroc

Bokra, come out to pla-ay
uncia said:
Bokracroc said:
Yeah. Who knows who Crypto is?

Project manager for Ferrox, for a start.
Not you :)

I mean Joe/Jane Anybody.

I remember him from posting in a Drama thread sometime last year. He also posted in the latest 'WHERE'S FERROX?' thread (because in it replied with it being bundled with Duke Nukem Forever.)

At most the average might show some initiative and go to the Staff page. Some may search the Member List.

Those who know what Google is and how to use some basic searching skill, Google comes back with this:


Now that Search actually searched , Crypto boasts a whole 8 posts this year.
 

Kaiva

New Member
In that case I think I will continue my usual FA usage without worry, while I wait for the update.

Hopefully they can reach an agreement or something without incident...
 

uncia

Member
Bokracroc said:
Now that Search actually searched , Crypto boasts a whole 8 posts this year.

Could make a case for saying that's a smart enough idea; to keep efforts focused more on Ferrox development without getting too badly diverted on his post count over here, no?
 

Vgm22

Furry/Scalie Of Mystery
yak said:
Vgm22 said:
I just wanna know something. It seems people are taking sides. What side are you on? Dragoneer's Or Alkora's A.K.A Jheryn? I'm on Dragoneer's side all the way.
Orlith Nemeth said:
Yay Preyfar for fixing things ^.=.^ you gets a hug *hugs*

and thanks to you to for the update Dave ^.=.^ you also get hugs *hug* ^.=.^

others may be cynical, but i have blind faith in our admins, and thats good enough for me, I haven't seen enough bad from you guys to doubt your ability to pull FA from this debacle.

Good luck!
*morningstar said:
Forgive me, but considering that Jheryn is doing this, I'm really not too surprised. Looks like he's going to have to change his name again when everyone finds out.

Thank you Dragoneer for being so dedicated to us.

Of all the times i was tolerant and silent to such blanket and un-deserved thanks, this is probably the hardest moment in my entire life.
It greatly pains me to see that some of the community still thinks that there's only Dragoneer to FA. Pains me so much that it's becoming unbearable.

I only wish i could share some detail with you. But unfortunately, or thankfully - i cannot bring myself to doing so even in the light of the current events.

Just know that there are two poisoned daggers in the back of the administration, and not one.

I know that Dragoneer isn't the only one, but it seems that the matter at hand is between him and Alkora. I give thx to all the other admins and who else ever helps run the site, keeps it up and keeps it peaceful and civil, but Dragoneer like Bokracroc said is the face of FA.
As most of us can assoiciate with him or something like that.
 

brokenfox

Is not fixed
yak said:
Vgm22 said:
I just wanna know something. It seems people are taking sides. What side are you on? Dragoneer's Or Alkora's A.K.A Jheryn? I'm on Dragoneer's side all the way.
Orlith Nemeth said:
Yay Preyfar for fixing things ^.=.^ you gets a hug *hugs*

and thanks to you to for the update Dave ^.=.^ you also get hugs *hug* ^.=.^

others may be cynical, but i have blind faith in our admins, and thats good enough for me, I haven't seen enough bad from you guys to doubt your ability to pull FA from this debacle.

Good luck!
*morningstar said:
Forgive me, but considering that Jheryn is doing this, I'm really not too surprised. Looks like he's going to have to change his name again when everyone finds out.

Thank you Dragoneer for being so dedicated to us.

Of all the times i was tolerant and silent to such blanket and un-deserved thanks, this is probably the hardest moment in my entire life.
It greatly pains me to see that some of the community still thinks that there's only Dragoneer to FA. Pains me so much that it's becoming unbearable.

I only wish i could share some detail with you. But unfortunately, or thankfully - i cannot bring myself to doing so even in the light of the current events.

Just know that there are two poisoned daggers in the back of the administration, and not one.

Hay, I'm sorry you feel that way Yak, I really am. I'm not sure what is going on behind the scenes (obviously) but I wonder what you mean by two poison daggers? But in any event I am not one of those Admin/Coder hating users on FA. It may not be popular opinion but for the most part I think you guys are doing the best job you can do and deserve more credit then you get. When anything goes wrong everyone grabs there drama pitchforks and torches and runs off complaining about the coders and admins. But I think you guys all deserve thanks for keeping FA alive. I love this place and I support it as much as I possibly can I want to see it live on and prosper, I would hate to see it die.

Well anyways for what it is worth thanks Yak, and the rest of the FA team. And please keep us informed on what is going on when you can.
 

themocaw

Member
Regarding taking sides, I don't want to do it because it will cause more drama, and both sides, honestly, are kind of being feminine hygeiene products, but I will say this: out of the two camps, one took actions that prevented me from jerking my gherkin to deviant semi-bestiality artwork featuring weirdly proportioned animal women, and the other camp didn't.

Guess which one I hate more.
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
Foxstar said:
Yak, don't hold shit back, you know that will only boost the lulz when it all comes out in the end.

Rave said:
There are even MORE layers of drama to all this? And you can't even tell us about it!?? Can't FA's admins ever settle things once and for all? Damn...

Anyway, for what it's worth I never thought that it was all JUST Dragoneer. But it's evidently hard to tell what is going on or who does what in general behind the scenes lately too as it is. And now you speak as if sworn to silence about some evil conspiracy or something anyway. This is getting maddening for us poor donors and users. What in the world is really going on??

Bokracroc said:
Step up to the plate man!
I have rarely seen you step up and shout your input into all of these issues! The fact here is that Preyfar/Dragoneer is the face of FA. People will think of him first unless you make yourself known.

I will answer you with this.

The reason i am not going to say anything is...
Because it will help nothing, just shed a lot of negative light on people.
We, I, do not need that to happen.

In the end, i don't care to prove who's right and who's wrong, nor do i wish to join any side in this miserable little war.
All i need to know is that by their actions, both sides lead to something that should have never happened. They let their personal debate spill over to the public and cause harm to the community.
A series of actions from both sides which didn't give much thought about to where thy were going was something i could call highly unprofessional, but that term becomes somewhat a moot point when applied to FA. This..was..wrong.

And i'm sorry, but after seeing that happen any thanks obtain an entirely new, sour aftertaste.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Yak is Mr. Coder who has a fetish for manly apples.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
themocaw said:
Regarding taking sides, I don't want to do it because it will cause more drama, and both sides, honestly, are kind of being feminine hygeiene products, but I will say this: out of the two camps, one took actions that prevented me from jerking my gherkin to deviant semi-bestiality artwork featuring weirdly proportioned animal women, and the other camp didn't.

Guess which one I hate more.

There is a side to take...I take the side of the community...however there are many different voices to that community and a lot I don't agree with ;) However, the community is the best side of all, it is one of the reasons I still hang around for better or for worse.
 

Tensik

Member
I know a lot of people have said that this is a non-profit site, but remember folks, it's not. It's not an actual NPO with real bookkeeping and all that fun jazz. As a matter of fact, they've said before that they wouldn't mind making a few bucks off of the community . . . "with perhaps enough left over to buy us a few beers", I believe was Dragoneer's words. I don't think any of us would begrudge them a few beers or even a minimal salary for their work here if it was actually documented and a business that all funds were reportable, and "bells and whistles" subscriptions that would keep the site self-sustained and even perhaps turn some profit (for staff or charity use) has been suggested by dozens of people.

Obviously not the same thing as "gimmie $8k to solve my life problems", but making money off the site for personal use wasn't out of the question from either party.

I just hope this is a wakeup call to the FA staff that it's time to stop treating this place as a private diversion and it's time to start treating it like the web community that affects thousands of people that it really is. "The site is a community site, not a business. I intend to keep it that way. I will not see Fur Affinity go under because somebody wants to auction it off to the highest bidder" doesn't work, Dragoneer. You can't have it both ways. You say you own the servers THAT WE PAID FOR, and this is a site that a good deal of us donated to in the past. That makes it a community site, but you (in the plural, in this case, staff) make the rules that drive off the community members that donate the money to keep the place running and then whine when you don't get enough (which I'll remind you has been echoed before, a lot of people stopped donating when their place here was threatened by the staff itself).

"I gave a lot of money and now because I don't give more, I can't use the site any more" is a call a LOT of the community has heard here recently because of server space and bandwidth. Sucks to hear it, doesn't it, Dragoneer, when the tide is turned? Kind of makes you feel like your place in the community isn't appreciated or the money you gave was only good for someone else's fun?

First off, stop hiding stuff on these forums, especially stuff that was posted publically and then you take away. A few of you *glares at "no more drama to see here folks" staff members* seem to think that editing stuff when it suits you is a good idea. We gave our dues to what got threatened too and it's worth our while to be able to know what is going on. All this "lulzdrama" affects our investment as well. Second, as a community site, let the community actually pull together and solve the problems. Get off your high horses and stop treating this place like it's YOURS. Because if it is YOURS, then what you brought on yourselves with Alkora is well deserved and kudos for them. But if it's OURS and Alkora tried to take it away . . . .

Make your choice. Because if FA is a COMMUNITY site, you have a hell of a lot of community members willing and ready to pull together to make sure the home for ALL of us stays. But if it's just the staff's playground for egos . . . dig yourselves out of this one.
 

Arcturus

Banned
Banned
I am chagrinned. Truly.

I saw this coming from a mile off. Infact, I am pretty sure I told Crypto back in.. 2006, maybe. "Get rid of Jheryn, or he'll do to you guys, what he did to me."

And now look what's happening. FA's future hangs in the balance (sort of) AGAIN.
Jheryn is screwing stuff up. AGAIN.
People are raging against Dragoneer, who has paid small fortunes each month for this.

Ad infinitum...

Drop the ballast, guys, and move boldly forward.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Arcturus said:
I am chagrinned. Truly.

I saw this coming from a mile off. Infact, I am pretty sure I told Crypto back in.. 2006, maybe. "Get rid of Jheryn, or he'll do to you guys, what he did to me."

And now look what's happening. FA's future hangs in the balance (sort of) AGAIN.
Jheryn is screwing stuff up. AGAIN.
People are raging against Dragoneer, who has paid small fortunes each month for this.

Ad infinitum...

Drop the ballast, guys, and move boldly forward.

Ironic isn't it? Personal Disagreements aside, I REALLY REALLY did feel sorry for you when you were paying for the server and were getting all that crap.

I think the best one was that you were using donation money for personal commissions, merely because you shared the same address. Funny now how someone's accusations come back to slap him in the face in another way. Karma is a bitch. Accusations made none other by Dragoneer.

So yeah it wasn't a super shock, but I'll admit it is hilarious from a bystander point of view that's watched the site's politics.
 

Arcturus

Banned
Banned
Heheh. Yeah...

Those were the days! When the only things that mattered were dames, and the only dames that mattered were men.
 

uncia

Member
Let's just say you have an understandable bias, Arc.
That's not the whole story, nor was/is the situation as simple as might be inferred from the evidence you're providing.

(Agreed w/Arshes re. FA1, though, as you know).
 
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