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Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to stop.

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Zuriak

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Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

I'd probably fuck Anita if she had a smaller nose.
She's actually very attractive, though her personality and ethics take her beyond the point of undesirable. Then again I like aquiline noses. :)
 

Naesaki

JRPG Fanatic
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

I'd probably fuck Anita if she had a smaller nose.


I dunno what's with everyone's obsession with her nose.

She's actually very attractive, though her personality and ethics take her beyond the point of undesirable. Then again I like aquiline noses.
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Am I a terrible person for having the first song to come to mind about this whole situation is the one from family guy of the stereotype racist guys singing random songs with one of them being "She got a big ole'jewish nose!"
 
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Kaizy

Emotional Mess
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Ah, a ton of discussion on feminism, SJWs, the KKK, and who'd fuck Anita, but not a single discussion about any of the real problems with the game industry today.

Classic GamerGate thread :^)
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Ah, a ton of discussion on feminism, SJWs, the KKK, and who'd fuck Anita, but not a single discussion about any of the real problems with the game industry today.

Classic GamerGate thread :^)

Such as game companies paying gamer magazines to skew review numbers in their favor. Game informer's one that's famous for taking "donations" in order to skew numbers to help break sales.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/f...iew-scores-are-skewed-due-to-public-relations
http://www.p4rgaming.com/ex-ign-emp...-that-arent-even-close-to-release-like-gta-v/
 

Kaizy

Emotional Mess
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Such as game companies paying gamer magazines to skew review numbers in their favor. Game informer's one that's famous for taking "donations" in order to skew numbers to help break sales.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/f...iew-scores-are-skewed-due-to-public-relations
http://www.p4rgaming.com/ex-ign-emp...-that-arent-even-close-to-release-like-gta-v/

That's been such a problem for the longest time and it's bullshit. But I mean when you have nice big pockets like most of these companies, you can get away with paying for nice reviews to boost sales.
My problem is no one's ever really fought against it. You never hear these little movements outing these "donations" and trying to shame the major game companies for their shitty business practices, or jump all over the major game magazines that willingly accept large payoffs in exchange for high reviews. It's like everyone knows about these things but doesn't actively do anything to try and prevent these things from happening. It just seems like it's always an "oh, well that sucks" from everyone.
 

Schwimmwagen

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Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

That's been such a problem for the longest time and it's bullshit. But I mean when you have nice big pockets like most of these companies, you can get away with paying for nice reviews to boost sales.
My problem is no one's ever really fought against it. You never hear these little movements outing these "donations" and trying to shame the major game companies for their shitty business practices, or jump all over the major game magazines that willingly accept large payoffs in exchange for high reviews. It's like everyone knows about these things but doesn't actively do anything to try and prevent these things from happening. It just seems like it's always an "oh, well that sucks" from everyone.

But those groups are giant corporations. When it happens in the indie scene where nepotism can do the most damage and also be small enough to be tackled by the customers as well as having proof and even getting several of the involved figures to admit it, it's no surprise that they're less apathetic this time around. Even developers are in support of it, because they fear that this nepotism can stop their game from getting covered or promoted at all. It outraged people that a HTML document won more awards than actual games.
But this wouldn't have happened if the Five Guys Burgers n Fries lulzcow didn't take off on places like 4chan, which made GG start on Twitter.
 
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Zuriak

Designated Bearforce
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

But those groups are giant corporations. When it happens in the indie scene where nepotism can do the most damage and also be small enough to be tackled by the customers as well as having proof and even getting several of the involved figures to admit it, it's no surprise that they're less apathetic this time around. Even developers are in support of it, because they fear that this nepotism can stop their game from getting covered or promoted at all. It outraged people that a HTML document won more awards than actual games.
But this wouldn't have happened if the Five Guys Burgers n Fries lulzcow didn't take off on places like 4chan, which made GG start on Twitter.
Bingo. The cover up sparked the outrage.
 

Kaizy

Emotional Mess
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

But those groups are giant corporations. When it happens in the indie scene where nepotism can do the most damage and also be small enough to be tackled by the customers as well as having proof and even getting several of the involved figures to admit it, it's no surprise that they're less apathetic this time around. Even developers are in support of it, because they fear that this nepotism can stop their game from getting covered or promoted at all. It outraged people that a HTML document won more awards than actual games.
But this wouldn't have happened if the Five Guys Burgers n Fries lulzcow didn't take off on places like 4chan, which made GG start on Twitter.

The problem is this leaves the big corporations to just continue to condone shitty business practices. Calling out smaller companies and developers may be easier, but it does nothing to impact the big issue in the industry. Just because they're a large corporation doesn't mean they're untouchable and should just be left to continue to screw with the industry and play the market in their favor with bribes. If GG really wanted to impact the industry, they could implement boycotts and take some action to hit the big companies in the wallets where they're more likely to feel the pain and notice their customers aren't interested in their business anymore, as opposed to just taking down small-time developers who have barely any influence on the industry in the way the bigger companies do.

All that's really happening is small-time developers are being put under a much larger microscope, while the big companies face no repercussions because they know everyone's just gonna continue to buy their games regardless of how shitty their business is because they know no one wants to actually take action and refuse to buy their products.
 

ShioBear

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Schwimmwagen

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Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

The problem is this leaves the big corporations to just continue to condone shitty business practices. Calling out smaller companies and developers may be easier, but it does nothing to impact the big issue in the industry. Just because they're a large corporation doesn't mean they're untouchable and should just be left to continue to screw with the industry and play the market in their favor with bribes. If GG really wanted to impact the industry, they could implement boycotts and take some action to hit the big companies in the wallets where they're more likely to feel the pain and notice their customers aren't interested in their business anymore, as opposed to just taking down small-time developers who have barely any influence on the industry in the way the bigger companies do.

All that's really happening is small-time developers are being put under a much larger microscope, while the big companies face no repercussions because they know everyone's just gonna continue to buy their games regardless of how shitty their business is because they know no one wants to actually take action and refuse to buy their products.

Gamers have tried to do boycotts against large companies all the time and they've never been successful. Left 4 Dead 2 and CoD MW2 to name two. So Gawker, a big company that owns lots of stuff including Kotaku, Polygon, and numerous other indie game journo sites, got their advertisers mass-spammed by gamers due to Gawker smearing and insulting their advertisers' target consumers, costing them "seven figures" with Hulk Hogan now going in for the kill over something unrelated, but Gawker are now terrified and are doing everything to delay the trial.

The reason this is important for the small developers is because they don't have that many options for exposure outside of the near-monopolized journos, and these indie expo events that said journos and their judges infest. Quinn (who I couldn't care less about) being exposed as performing sexual favours for judges raises huge concerns. It could have been rectified very quickly, but it's a threat to those companies. So it seemed smarter to them that they could launch a synchronised set of smear articles on all their websites to attack their critics (and audience, and customers, and other developers...) and make it fit into the ever-popular feminism debate.

So it made more people angry, made them angrier as time passed, and drew the fiasco out far longer than it had to be. It's been nearly a year, and the only thing asked for was transparency and reform.

It could have been anything else that fit into the same boat, and they would have just found another way to bury, deflect, or smear the critics.
 
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Kaizy

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Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Gamers have tried to do boycotts against large companies all the time and they've never been successful. Left 4 Dead 2 and CoD MW2 to name two. So Gawker, a big company that owns lots of stuff including Kotaku, Polygon, and numerous other indie game journo sites, got their advertisers mass-spammed by gamers due to Gawker smearing and insulting their advertisers' target consumers, costing them "seven figures" with Hulk Hogan now going in for the kill over something unrelated, but Gawker are now terrified and are doing everything to delay the trial.

The reason this is important for the small developers is because they don't have that many options for exposure outside of the near-monopolized journos, and these indie expo events that said journos and their judges infest. Quinn (who I couldn't care less about) being exposed as performing sexual favours for judges raises huge concerns. It could have been rectified very quickly, but it's a threat to those companies. So it seemed smarter to them that they could launch a synchronised set of smear articles on all their websites to attack their critics (and audience, and customers, and other developers...) and make it fit into the ever-popular feminism debate.

So it made more people angry, made them angrier as time passed, and drew the fiasco out far longer than it had to be. It's been nearly a year, and the only thing asked for was transparency and reform.

It could have been anything else that fit into the same boat, and they would have just found another way to bury, deflect, or smear the critics.

But the problem is, what does this actually do to stop this from happening in the industry? Sure, it stop smaller developers pretty easily since they don't have the same access to legal resources that bigger companies do, but again, those game corporations essentially still get away with murder. The problem is still persistent no matter how many small developers get outed. The whole GG movement was founded on exposing foul play among small developers and continue to do so, but they do nothing to punish the real perpetrators of the problem.

Saying that trying to do something before "hasn't been successful" doesn't mean they should throw their hands up and just let them do as they wish. Obviously anyone that has ties to the companies cant do much at risk of legal action, but customers are different. Customers can refuse to buy their products en masse and they cant do anything to make you buy from them. Boycotting their products is the best method of getting the message across since they only care about their profits, but people will continue to buy the AAA titles of those companies, all while complaining about how awful the same company is. That's what I think the real problem is is that no one wants to fully commit to a boycott. They just want to play their games and continue to complain about the companies their supporting with their money, and it's a shame because nothing is going to change at this point.
 

1000bluntz

mark ass trick
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your a blind fool. you call me a neck beard yet you dont even know what i look like. its only poorly written because you dont agree with it. and your a shit disturbing troll who doesn't have a clue what it shits from its mouth hole. you would have it deleted because it goes against your propaganda and brainwashed statements. your a cultural marxist. and yeah you twat extremism is pretty fucking bad almost 100% of the time. your a fool and your user name doesnt help.

Let me guess, you google'd the terms "cultural marxism" and "feminism" and clicked on something akin to this http://www.returnofkings.com/18998/cultural-marxism-produces-matriarchy
how you gonna try and criticize shit you've never even read into lol

Oh and all extremism is bad ? Bitch, if it weren't for the factory workers bombing the police & wallstreet during america's industrial revolution and early 1900s, you wouldn't have the labor laws you have today. How do you think black americans survived under a white supremacist system for so long and have the rights they have today ? Do you think lynchings and open discrimination just outright stopped after Martin Luther King's speech ? The "extremists" black panthers and "radical" figures like Malcolm X did a lot of the dirty work that white America does not put in the textbooks.
 

Azure

100% organic vegan hubbas
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

feminism is passe

just like gay marriage
 

Schwimmwagen

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Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

But the problem is, what does this actually do to stop this from happening in the industry? Sure, it stop smaller developers pretty easily since they don't have the same access to legal resources that bigger companies do, but again, those game corporations essentially still get away with murder. The problem is still persistent no matter how many small developers get outed. The whole GG movement was founded on exposing foul play among small developers and continue to do so, but they do nothing to punish the real perpetrators of the problem.

Saying that trying to do something before "hasn't been successful" doesn't mean they should throw their hands up and just let them do as they wish. Obviously anyone that has ties to the companies cant do much at risk of legal action, but customers are different. Customers can refuse to buy their products en masse and they cant do anything to make you buy from them. Boycotting their products is the best method of getting the message across since they only care about their profits, but people will continue to buy the AAA titles of those companies, all while complaining about how awful the same company is. That's what I think the real problem is is that no one wants to fully commit to a boycott. They just want to play their games and continue to complain about the companies their supporting with their money, and it's a shame because nothing is going to change at this point.

Can't answer that one for you m8, but I'd consider looking it from a gradualist perspective. Indie companies respond the most to outside voices, but the big companies respond to sales figures, and that's because many indie developers do it out of love for games otherwise they'd get a job at a big company instead. If there's reform in the indie corner of the industry (where the current state of journalism can block those avenues if it wanted to) and it proves beneficial, big companies may adopt things from them. Those indie companies could become bigger companies themselves, potentially changing the state of said big industry.

I think you're right about what you have to say about the larger part of the industry, but that fish can't be fried in the current climate if you get my meaning.
 

Kaizy

Emotional Mess
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Can't answer that one for you m8, but I'd consider looking it from a gradualist perspective. Indie companies respond the most to outside voices, but the big companies respond to sales figures, and that's because many indie developers do it out of love for games otherwise they'd get a job at a big company instead. If there's reform in the indie corner of the industry (where the current state of journalism can block those avenues if it wanted to) and it proves beneficial, big companies may adopt things from them. Those indie companies could become bigger companies themselves, potentially changing the state of said big industry.

I think you're right about what you have to say about the larger part of the industry, but that fish can't be fried in the current climate if you get my meaning.

I guess. It's just disappointing to see no pushback from the community towards big corporations. It's just some complaints here and there with no real action taken against them.
 

Zuriak

Designated Bearforce
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

I guess. It's just disappointing to see no pushback from the community towards big corporations. It's just some complaints here and there with no real action taken against them.
There's plenty, actually, but many people have the stand of: Don't like, don't buy it. There are plenty of people who will not purchase a Bioware game, for example. The movements generally fizzle out as it's realized there are more people willing to buy the game than there are people actively not doing it out of protest.
 

Kaizy

Emotional Mess
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

There's plenty, actually, but many people have the stand of: Don't like, don't buy it. There are plenty of people who will not purchase a Bioware game, for example. The movements generally fizzle out as it's realized there are more people willing to buy the game than there are people actively not doing it out of protest.

Well that's the problem, there needs to be a bigger push to not support the big developers when they do that sort of thing. I never see anyone actively pushing these sort of things, you just kind of hear about a handful of people not supporting it, but never is it the focus of a movement. I never hear about movements like GG pushing large protests/boycotts as their primary action to make the companies acknowledge the problems, just a lot of unimportant issues getting discussed while the industry continues to do as it pleases.
 

ShioBear

EH b0sss
Banned
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Let me guess, you google'd the terms "cultural marxism" and "feminism" and clicked on something akin to this http://www.returnofkings.com/18998/cultural-marxism-produces-matriarchy
how you gonna try and criticize shit you've never even read into lol

Oh and all extremism is bad ? Bitch, if it weren't for the factory workers bombing the police & wallstreet during america's industrial revolution and early 1900s, you wouldn't have the labor laws you have today. How do you think black americans survived under a white supremacist system for so long and have the rights they have today ? Do you think lynchings and open discrimination just outright stopped after Martin Luther King's speech ? The "extremists" black panthers and "radical" figures like Malcolm X did a lot of the dirty work that white America does not put in the textbooks.
so i found your selfie, you got a purdy mouth boy http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120826123355/vssaxtonhale/images/c/c2/Troll-face.png
 

Kaizy

Emotional Mess

Kellie Gator

Moral Minority
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

I guess. It's just disappointing to see no pushback from the community towards big corporations. It's just some complaints here and there with no real action taken against them.
The answer is simple; the big corporations are run by men.

Seriously, why do these basement dwellers turn a blind eye to real lying douchebag scam artists like Randy Pitchford?
 

Zuriak

Designated Bearforce
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

The answer is simple; the big corporations are run by men.

Seriously, why do these basement dwellers turn a blind eye to real lying douchebag scam artists like Randy Pitchford?
Damn, she caught us! Shiobear, what did I tell you about leaving you Patriarchy Membership card laying around willy nilly?

Typically things need controversy else they fizzle out; GamerGate started because of a large scale cover up. I don't believe Activision tried to cover anything up with their Mountain Dew and Doritos tie ins with Call of Duty, or Microsoft in the same boat with Halo. Seriously, google the Dorito Pope. There is some backlash over journalists that give good reviews because they've been buttered up.

What is Randy Pitchford involved in again? Because I guarantee you there is backlash over it.
 

ShioBear

EH b0sss
Banned
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

ohh shit i knew i left my patriarchy hand book somewhere :V also wasn't someone supposed to be leaving?
 

Kaizy

Emotional Mess
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Damn, she caught us! Shiobear, what did I tell you about leaving you Patriarchy Membership card laying around willy nilly?

Typically things need controversy else they fizzle out; GamerGate started because of a large scale cover up. I don't believe Activision tried to cover anything up with their Mountain Dew and Doritos tie ins with Call of Duty, or Microsoft in the same boat with Halo. Seriously, google the Dorito Pope. There is some backlash over journalists that give good reviews because they've been buttered up.

What is Randy Pitchford involved in again? Because I guarantee you there is backlash over it.

If anything, that confuses me more. Wording it like that makes it sound like GG gave not a care in the world and was fine with these awful corporations flashing their bad business everywhere, but when smaller developers were found out doing something in the same boat and covering it up, that was the sin that could not go unpunished. It just seems like this whole movement's priorities are out of whack and they're not actually tackling any of the issues. A lot of the GG-related threads and content I've seen have pretty much been comprised of nothing but what I've seen on the past few pages; a rampant argument against feminism, constant complaining about "SJWs" and talking about Anita as if she's some sort of relevant icon in feminism or gaming (when she's really not, she's just kind of there). I've really never seen a single one of them discuss issues in working in the industry with the corporations or show public outrage at their treatment of employees, the constant lack of content in full-price AAA titles that get released with alongside "Day One" DLC and microtransactions which is just stuff that should have been included in the base game, the overall degrading treatment these companies have towards the customers by constantly rehashing previous titles with little to no work and reselling them as brand new installments, releasing buggy and unfinished games as full price AAA titles and cheating customers out of money, ect. I never see these issues discussed in threads like this, and the past few pages really only kept that record going.

And the problem is these can be fought easily if people actively tried to fix these issues. The outcry against the Xbox One announcing DRM created enough backlash to get Microsoft to reconsider, but that's only because enough people lashed out at Microsoft and showed that if they didn't change the problem, they were going to lose a lot of business. Companies that are at fault need to have products boycotted and there needs to be push-back from the community, and sadly this is why I don't care for or agree with GG at all. This GG movement does nothing. The title of this thread and most of the content in it kinda shows where the movement's priorities lie and they're certainly not with making the industry better or preventing the customers from getting cheated out of more money for less content. It's just a group to argue against feminists sitting under the guise of a "movement to improve the gaming industry".
 

Kellie Gator

Moral Minority
Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

What is Randy Pitchford involved in again? Because I guarantee you there is backlash over it.
lol

People don't know their vidyagaems in here.
 
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