Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to stop.

[Naesaki]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

lol

People don't know their vidyagaems in here.

Something something gearbox, something something they dun fucked up. =P

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

If anything, that confuses me more. Wording it like that makes it sound like GG gave not a care in the world and was fine with these awful corporations flashing their bad business everywhere, but when smaller developers were found out doing something in the same boat and covering it up, that was the sin that could not go unpunished. It just seems like this whole movement's priorities are out of whack and they're not actually tackling any of the issues. A lot of the GG-related threads and content I've seen have pretty much been comprised of nothing but what I've seen on the past few pages; a rampant argument against feminism, constant complaining about "SJWs" and talking about Anita as if she's some sort of relevant icon in feminism or gaming (when she's really not, she's just kind of there). I've really never seen a single one of them discuss issues in working in the industry with the corporations or show public outrage at their treatment of employees, the constant lack of content in full-price AAA titles that get released with alongside "Day One" DLC and microtransactions which is just stuff that should have been included in the base game, the overall degrading treatment these companies have towards the customers by constantly rehashing previous titles with little to no work and reselling them as brand new installments, releasing buggy and unfinished games as full price AAA titles and cheating customers out of money, ect. I never see these issues discussed in threads like this, and the past few pages really only kept that record going.

And the problem is these can be fought easily if people actively tried to fix these issues. The outcry against the Xbox One announcing DRM created enough backlash to get Microsoft to reconsider, but that's only because enough people lashed out at Microsoft and showed that if they didn't change the problem, they were going to lose a lot of business. Companies that are at fault need to have products boycotted and there needs to be push-back from the community, and sadly this is why I don't care for or agree with GG at all. This GG movement does nothing. The title of this thread and most of the content in it kinda shows where the movement's priorities lie and they're certainly not with making the industry better or preventing the customers from getting cheated out of more money for less content. It's just a group to argue against feminists sitting under the guise of a "movement to improve the gaming industry".

While I don't like these practices the big companies practice, you fail to realize that GamerGate started because of a coverup. Though Anita certainly is a problem because she's been heralded by MSNBC, CNN, Time Magazine and quite a few other places as "Gamer's' worst enemy" or something to that effect, a person assailed with such despicable harassment by evil, angry men who despise women, yadda yadda and so forth.

There HAVE been movements to oppose big corporations but that's not what GamerGate was originally about.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

lol

People don't know their vidyagaems in here.

I already knew he is with Gearbox. Here we go again with you dancing around questions.

 

[TheArchiver]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

If anything, that confuses me more. Wording it like that makes it sound like GG gave not a care in the world and was fine with these awful corporations flashing their bad business everywhere, but when smaller developers were found out doing something in the same boat and covering it up, that was the sin that could not go unpunished. It just seems like this whole movement's priorities are out of whack and they're not actually tackling any of the issues. A lot of the GG-related threads and content I've seen have pretty much been comprised of nothing but what I've seen on the past few pages; a rampant argument against feminism, constant complaining about "SJWs" and talking about Anita as if she's some sort of relevant icon in feminism or gaming (when she's really not, she's just kind of there). I've really never seen a single one of them discuss issues in working in the industry with the corporations or show public outrage at their treatment of employees, the constant lack of content in full-price AAA titles that get released with alongside "Day One" DLC and microtransactions which is just stuff that should have been included in the base game, the overall degrading treatment these companies have towards the customers by constantly rehashing previous titles with little to no work and reselling them as brand new installments, releasing buggy and unfinished games as full price AAA titles and cheating customers out of money, ect. I never see these issues discussed in threads like this, and the past few pages really only kept that record going.

And the problem is these can be fought easily if people actively tried to fix these issues. The outcry against the Xbox One announcing DRM created enough backlash to get Microsoft to reconsider, but that's only because enough people lashed out at Microsoft and showed that if they didn't change the problem, they were going to lose a lot of business. Companies that are at fault need to have products boycotted and there needs to be push-back from the community, and sadly this is why I don't care for or agree with GG at all. This GG movement does nothing. The title of this thread and most of the content in it kinda shows where the movement's priorities lie and they're certainly not with making the industry better or preventing the customers from getting cheated out of more money for less content. It's just a group to argue against feminists sitting under the guise of a "movement to improve the gaming industry".

I feel this is the most agreeable mindset involving not just GG, but really all sides. One could argue that you can focus on all problems, I'm sure some aligned with GG work to put a stop to AAA publisher corruption. As annoying as SJW's and "feminists" can be, they're not a concern when compared to something like Konami treating their employees like slaves, which I'm willing to bet neither side is putting under a magnifying glass. Rather it's "sexist armor" this, "Anita a shit" that, and "bad journalism" the third. Things that...don't really matter all too much compared to the grievances you've listed.

I can understand the qualms that formed GG, but it's drawn out at this point and frankly unnecessary. Oh how I miss when video games were not so serious...

 

[Azure]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Every time i see the letters GG, all I can think of is GG Allin

Also I think that this lady takes vidyagamez too srsly

This entire community takes the vidya too srsly

 

[Naesaki]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Every time i see the letters GG, all I can think of is GG Allin

Also I think that this lady takes vidyagamez too srsly

This entire community takes the vidya too srsly

The age old question that never gets a true answer, why so serious?

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Every time i see the letters GG, all I can think of is GG Allin

Also I think that this lady takes vidyagamez too srsly

This entire community takes the vidya too srsly

http://i.imgur.com/RegEJjD.jpg

Normies get out!

At least I think​ that's how SJWs view us.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Additionally, I think it's quite funny how people disregard GamerGate as some kind of hate movement when it's actually made a difference despite a coordinated offensive by journalists and websites to shut it down.

 

[Kellie Gator]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

I already knew he is with Gearbox. Here we go again with you dancing around questions.

See, this is what bothers me, GGers and similar people accuse Anita or whoever for not knowing anything about games and yet the movement itself knows fuck-all about video games and video games history.

Anita's not a true gamer, but apparently those who don't even keep track on the industry or do the most basic google searches about Randy Pitchford are. That's highly amusing.

Randy is a real scam/con artist.

And you don't even know. Nice ethics there.

Help yourself.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

See, this is what bothers me, GGers and similar people accuse Anita or whoever for not knowing anything about games and yet the movement itself knows fuck-all about video games and video games history.

Anita's not a true gamer, but apparently those who don't even keep track on the industry or do the most basic google searches about Randy Pitchford are. That's highly amusing.

Randy is a real scam/con artist.

And you don't even know. Nice ethics there.

Help yourself.

That was your perfect chance to lay the smackdown with links to article and evidence. Ya blew it!

I suppose what you're referring to is Aliens: Colonial Marines, and that was quite a fiasco and occurred BEFORE GamerGate. You could say GamerGate is the latest iteration of gamers sticking it to the dishonest folk. Here is a timeline to refresh your short and anachronistic memory.

 

[Azure]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

eat this, feminism

no more free shit

no more cuddles

no more doting

you want equality now?

 

[TheMetalVelocity]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Anita should attack rap/hip hop artists for legitimately degrading women.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

eat this, feminism

no more free shit

no more cuddles

no more doting

you want equality now?

While I think MGTOWs are a bit out there, that poster does raise a number of valid points.

Anita should attack rap/hip hop artists for legitimately degrading women.

Unfortunately it's considered racist to attack a cultural problem. It makes no sense as to why certain political factions in the US refuse to acknowledge problems like this but it;s not like it's going to sort itself out.

 

[ShioBear]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Anita should attack rap/hip hop artists for legitimately degrading women.

yeah she'd only attack white rappers tho.

 

[Kaizy]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

While I don't like these practices the big companies practice, you fail to realize that GamerGate started because of a coverup. Though Anita certainly is a problem because she's been heralded by MSNBC, CNN, Time Magazine and quite a few other places as "Gamer's' worst enemy" or something to that effect, a person assailed with such despicable harassment by evil, angry men who despise women, yadda yadda and so forth.

There HAVE been movements to oppose big corporations but that's not what GamerGate was originally about.

So the thread and things I keep hearing about the movement are incredibly misleading, because they always ramble on about how they're all about "fixing the gaming industry" but in reality they're just exposing a cover-up. Honestly, that's all I even hear about when I hear them talk about their accomplishments. They fall back on the "five guys" thing and that's all I ever hear. Like what are they doing besides starting arguments about feminism and Anita because from the sound of it, they're not really doing much. I don't even see a point to GG, they're just kind of there to ride Anita and go on with the "feminism is ruining games" thing, and apparently aren't even focused on doing anything that would actually improve the industry for gamers.

So my question is, what's even the point of GG?

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

So the thread and things I keep hearing about the movement are incredibly misleading, because they always ramble on about how they're all about "fixing the gaming industry" but in reality they're just exposing a cover-up. Honestly, that's all I even hear about when I hear them talk about their accomplishments. They fall back on the "five guys" thing and that's all I ever hear. Like what are they doing besides starting arguments about feminism and Anita because from the sound of it, they're not really doing much. I don't even see a point to GG, they're just kind of there to ride Anita and go on with the "feminism is ruining games" thing, and apparently aren't even focused on doing anything that would actually improve the industry for gamers.

So my question is, what's even the point of GG?

What SJWs are and how they affect gaming. I'd be more than happy to go over why Anita and her ilk aren't up to any good. Again.

What GG has accomplished.

GG is about exposing corruption, not really about fixing it. That's up to the companies and journalists to do themselves, and they've taken steps to have their employees divulge any associations they have (Patreon and possible otherwise) with the people or products they review. You can't really say it's not done much when I've pointed out several times that it has.

 

[Kaizy]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

What SJWs are and how they affect gaming. I'd be more than happy to go over why Anita and her ilk aren't up to any good. Again.

What GG has accomplished.

GG is about exposing corruption, not really about fixing it. That's up to the companies and journalists to do themselves, and they've taken steps to have their employees divulge any associations they have (Patreon and possible otherwise) with the people or products they review. You can't really say it's not done much when I've pointed out several times that it has.

I'm sorry to say that I wont watch the first video you linked as I don't like InternetAristocrat. He's too biased for my tastes, and I don't care for his personality, as he just comes off as too full of himself. So if you have a different video, by all means link it.

The second video was interesting. I'm surprised that I never hear about any of those accomplishments when GG discussions pop up. As I said, all I ever hear about is the "five guys" thing and then a lot of arguing about feminism, so it's hard for me to say it's done much when it seems like no GG discussion talks about that. It might have been pointed out in this thread somewhere, but this thing is like 60+ pages that I've only recently entered, and just seeing the past few pages, it had only confirmed my initial thoughts on GG.

I guess as far as GG is concerned, I don't really care for groups that don't focus moreso on the issues I had brought up earlier. Those industry focused issues are the ones I'm more interested in and want to see resolved and fought against. GG's focus is less of what I'm interested, since it's more focused on journalism and cover-ups. If anything, it kind of strikes me as a journalism against journalism kind of thing. Also, the movement itself just has a lot of very toxic supporters and it makes it hard to take seriously in that regards and that's one of the reasons that media outlets don't cover GG in positive lights. There should be much more of an initiative to ostracize the growing portion of GGers who are giving it a bad reputation, but I don't see that happening too often.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

I'm sorry to say that I wont watch the first video you linked as I don't like InternetAristocrat. He's too biased for my tastes, and I don't care for his personality, as he just comes off as too full of himself. So if you have a different video, by all means link it.

The second video was interesting. I'm surprised that I never hear about any of those accomplishments when GG discussions pop up. As I said, all I ever hear about is the "five guys" thing and then a lot of arguing about feminism, so it's hard for me to say it's done much when it seems like no GG discussion talks about that. It might have been pointed out in this thread somewhere, but this thing is like 60+ pages that I've only recently entered, and just seeing the past few pages, it had only confirmed my initial thoughts on GG.

I guess as far as GG is concerned, I don't really care for groups that don't focus moreso on the issues I had brought up earlier. Those industry focused issues are the ones I'm more interested in and want to see resolved and fought against. GG's focus is less of what I'm interested, since it's more focused on journalism and cover-ups. If anything, it kind of strikes me as a journalism against journalism kind of thing. Also, the movement itself just has a lot of very toxic supporters and it makes it hard to take seriously in that regards and that's one of the reasons that media outlets don't cover GG in positive lights. There should be much more of an initiative to ostracize the growing portion of GGers who are giving it a bad reputation, but I don't see that happening too often.

Well, that's your business if you want to plug your ears. It pretty much tells you what they are and what they're about. On top of that, Quinn isn't relevant anymore and she hasn't been discussed in quite a while -- though her and people who sympathize with her keep trying to have that injected into every conversation about GG (GEE almost like what you're doing!). As the the accomplishments, they've been stated before but they're typically ignored because folks like to parrot the party line about how evil and full of harassment GG is, or in your case, calling us "toxic supporters".

On top of that, can you specify what you mean by "the growing portion of GGers who are giving it a bad reputation"? I'm really interested in seeing what this is.

 

[Ozriel]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

When you think about it, any sociopolitical movement that has "good intentions" tends to attract the toxic waste. A couple of guys in my art class were GGers and they loved to harp on Anita and Wu to the point where it was annoying. When the "corruption in gaming" like buying reviews comes up or AAA games treating their customer base like toddlers, it always turned full circle about "how women gamers were the problem and how their games were changing to suit the PC libtard crowd".

People have been challenging the game companies and AAA games treating gamers like shit (Like EA and DRM when sim city came out and the bugs that came with the game upon release which took a month to officially address) and skewing bad game reviews to get money. Yet, GG to outsiders looks like a bunch of guys harping on the vaginas queefing on their Call of Duty. Unfortunately, that's what the toxic minority has done.

 

[Kaizy]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Well, that's your business if you want to plug your ears. It pretty much tells you what they are and what they're about. On top of that, Quinn isn't relevant anymore and she hasn't been discussed in quite a while -- though her and people who sympathize with her keep trying to have that injected into every conversation about GG (GEE almost like what you're doing!). As the the accomplishments, they've been stated before but they're typically ignored because folks like to parrot the party line about how evil and full of harassment GG is, or in your case, calling us "toxic supporters".

On top of that, can you specify what you mean by "the growing portion of GGers who are giving it a bad reputation"? I'm really interested in seeing what this is.

It's not so much "plugging the ears" as me stating that I don't enjoy the commentary of that one individual. So, I'm guessing by your reply that he's the only one who can explain the correlation between "SJWs" and "ruining games", which is a little upsetting. You'd think a movement that big would have a video or article written by someone else, but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, if you can provide a different source, by all means I'll give it a look.

Also, not sure why you brought up Quinn, I haven't mentioned her once since I've been in here. I've mentioned Anita a few times since she's always the focus of these GG discussions, but never Zoe Quinn (unless they're the same person and I'm just confused). I dump them into the same boat as Anita, being irrelevant to any game industry or movement since a lot of people regard them as radical and don't really acknowledge them as much as a lot of GGers do.

If you want to know what I mean by the GGers giving a bad reputation, refer back to that term "toxic supporters". First off, you seem to assume I referred to you as a toxic supporter, and that isn't the case. If you read what I said, I said "the movement has a lot of toxic supporters" and at no point directed that towards anyone, so if you took that as a personal shot, that's more or less where you see yourself in relation to what I said. When I'm talking about toxic supporters, I am talking about those people prioritizing the criticism of feminism and similar movements over issues in gaming in what's supposed to be a gaming movement, getting into vehement arguments about it and making it 90% of their GG arguments to where it's the only thing I see when looking at GG-related content. It's the supporters like that that are giving it this reputation of being "evil and harassing" because people like me come across GG discussions and that's all we see are these arguments and not much on gaming issues. It's more or less that those supporters are usually the loudest, so people associate the movement with them more so than the others.

 

[Kellie Gator]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

That was your perfect chance to lay the smackdown with links to article and evidence. Ya blew it!

I suppose what you're referring to is Aliens: Colonial Marines, and that was quite a fiasco and occurred BEFORE GamerGate. You could say GamerGate is the latest iteration of gamers sticking it to the dishonest folk. Here is a timeline to refresh your short and anachronistic memory.

So GG didn't care about corruption and ethics in gaming until a woman allegedly slept with the wrong person.

rofl

Also, Randy Pitchford has consistently been a dick long after GG, a slimy little douchebag. He's the scam artist GG forgot.

Oh, and Anita Sarkeesian started doing her thing before GG.

Does not compute.

EDIT:
I suppose I should play nice and try helping out. Here's a good analysis of the lies about Aliens: Colonial Marines.

And here is Randy Pitchford lying and deflecting all criticism about how he tried to sell a false product.

He has never apologized for his lies, for his attempt to trick people into buying a game that was much shittier than it looked like in the E3 2011 demo.

And a shorter version with highlights of his bullshit.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

It's not so much "plugging the ears" as me stating that I don't enjoy the commentary of that one individual. So, I'm guessing by your reply that he's the only one who can explain the correlation between "SJWs" and "ruining games", which is a little upsetting. You'd think a movement that big would have a video or article written by someone else, but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, if you can provide a different source, by all means I'll give it a look.

Also, not sure why you brought up Quinn, I haven't mentioned her once since I've been in here. I've mentioned Anita a few times since she's always the focus of these GG discussions, but never Zoe Quinn (unless they're the same person and I'm just confused). I dump them into the same boat as Anita, being irrelevant to any game industry or movement since a lot of people regard them as radical and don't really acknowledge them as much as a lot of GGers do.

If you want to know what I mean by the GGers giving a bad reputation, refer back to that term "toxic supporters". First off, you seem to assume I referred to you as a toxic supporter, and that isn't the case. If you read what I said, I said "the movement has a lot of toxic supporters" and at no point directed that towards anyone, so if you took that as a personal shot, that's more or less where you see yourself in relation to what I said. When I'm talking about toxic supporters, I am talking about those people prioritizing the criticism of feminism and similar movements over issues in gaming in what's supposed to be a gaming movement, getting into vehement arguments about it and making it 90% of their GG arguments to where it's the only thing I see when looking at GG-related content. It's the supporters like that that are giving it this reputation of being "evil and harassing" because people like me come across GG discussions and that's all we see are these arguments and not much on gaming issues. It's more or less that those supporters are usually the loudest, so people associate the movement with them more so than the others.

Not liking someone doesn't make their point invalid. Though Sarkeesian and Leigh Alexander might be some figures you want to look at in relation to this. Additionally, criticizing Anita & friends is not being toxic and detracting from the movement. I don't see how you can disconnect these things can call it a rise in toxic supports. WHERE are these toxic people? Are they toxic because they don't like Feminism or social justice and make arguments for it? These are the parameters you have set, and I fall into these parameters. Now, I'm not taking offense. I'm just pointing out that you're calling criticism and differing ideas toxic.

I think it's interesting that you brought up Five Guys and said that's what you normally see discussed, whereas I've only seen it brought up by the anti-GG side.

So GG didn't care about corruption and ethics in gaming until a woman allegedly slept with the wrong person.

rofl

Also, Randy Pitchford has consistently been a dick long after GG, a slimy little douchebag. He's the scam artist GG forgot.

Oh, and Anita Sarkeesian started doing her thing before GG.

Does not compute.

EDIT:
I suppose I should play nice and try helping out. Here's a good analysis of the lies about Aliens: Colonial Marines.

And here is Randy Pitchford lying and deflecting all criticism about how he tried to sell a false product.

He has never apologized for his lies, for his attempt to trick people into buying a game that was much shittier than it looked like in the E3 2011 demo.

And a shorter version with highlights of his bullshit.

Sarkeesian pretty much collected a bunch of money to do a number of videos and has since failed to deliver upon these videos. Seeing how they purposely misrepresent gaming and has taken to the media to create a false narrative against GamerGate in order to defame and dismiss us, so naturally GG has taken issue with it. I've seen discussing on Anthony Birch but I admit I haven't seen much on Randy Pitchford, though I'm really not in support of what he's doing. Journalists not revealing their relationships when promoting each other's projects? That's something I also take issue with.

 

[Zuriak]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3fr4qv/why_office_air_conditioning_is_sexist/

Air conditioning is sexist, apparently.

 

[Ozriel]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

So GG didn't care about corruption and ethics in gaming until a woman allegedly slept with the wrong person.

rofl

Also, Randy Pitchford has consistently been a dick long after GG, a slimy little douchebag. He's the scam artist GG forgot.

Oh, and Anita Sarkeesian started doing her thing before GG.


EDIT:
I suppose I should play nice and try helping out. Here's a good analysis of the lies about Aliens: Colonial Marines.

And here is Randy Pitchford lying and deflecting all criticism about how he tried to sell a false product.

He has never apologized for his lies, for his attempt to trick people into buying a game that was much shittier than it looked like in the E3 2011 demo.

And a shorter version with highlights of his bullshit.

A: CM was a shitty piece of shit game that tried to appeal to the CoD fans. Duke Nukem is shit, too.

Also, the Watchdogs graphics downgrade: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-there-really-a-watch-dogs-graphics-downgrade

It took a bunch of modders to fix that. People expected a high def version of what they saw at e3 2012 to run on their PCs and utilize the processors and graphics cards the PS4 and Xbone has. Instead, Ubisoft gave people the downgraded version.

And do not get me started on Ubisoft....

 

[Kellie Gator]

Re: Why Feminism is poisoning the gaming industry and why anita sarkeesian needs to s

Journalists not revealing their relationships when promoting each other's projects?

Why should they?

This stuff shouldn't be anyone's business but of course Mr. Gjoni needed to have a little man-period and call a bunch of basement dwelling losers to arms.

Also, Anita's videos are still being worked on, it's just taking longer because the funding was more than expected along with other factors we might or might not be aware of, like, you know, fleeing her home.

A: CM was a shitty piece of shit game that tried to appeal to the CoD fans. Duke Nukem is shit, too.

Also, the Watchdogs graphics downgrade: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-there-really-a-watch-dogs-graphics-downgrade

It took a bunch of modders to fix that. People expected a high def version of what they saw at e3 2012 to run on their PCs and utilize the processors and graphics cards the PS4 and Xbone has. Instead, Ubisoft gave people the downgraded version.

And do not get me started on Ubisoft....

Shut up, you fool. A woman's dating life is clearly far more important.