Hey, I go away for a bit, and you guys and gals have this up to three pages already... good job!
Well maybe when guns become as regulated as cars we can have this debate.
And also cars aren't designed to kill things.
That's kind of a big one
: /
I've brought this up before, but I'll bring it up again here: It doesn't matter what a thing is designed for, all that matters is how many lives are taken by abusing a thing. Cars kill more people each year in the US than guns... that is a provable, statistical fact. You can't just dismiss the figures by saying: "Well, cars weren't DESIGNED to kill." All that matters is,
people died.
Yeah, but the main difference between weapons and cars is that most people don't drive a car with the intention of killing/hurting someone.
I don't own guns to kill people, I own them for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm. I hope never to need my gun the same way I hope never to hear my smoke alarm or to ever need that fire extinguisher. So far, I've never needed to use either my guns or my fire extinguisher to protect my life and property. And I hope I never will...
What exactly is wrong with a shooting range for shooting at targets?
Nothing... that's where I go to shoot targets, since I no longer live on ten acres in the middle of nowhere, with an outdoor range of my own.
Uhm, you misunderstood. It was an honest question, not a rhetorical one.
Even with heavy gun control there will still be shooting ranges. I could go shoot a gun any time I like, I just won't be taking it home
The 'only criminals have guns then' argument is a bit flawed, since it discounts police. Moreover, criminals won't be likely to carry guns if they're not likely to need one. They tend to attract a lot of attention when gun distribution is so limited.
To me, guns seem a bit of a vicious circle. One carries it because they feel the need to protect themselves from people who carry it because they feel the need to protect themselves from... etc. This also means the circle is incredibly hard to break once established. Like disarmament after an arms-race.
Are you sure about that? Even without heavy gun control, people complain about the noise, or some government/environmental reg gets broken, and the range is shut down as a danger/nuisance. It's getting harder and harder to find good ranges anymore. Also, I find it odd that I can take my registered vehicle home... but not my registered gun? Why would I leave my car parked in someone else's locked garage?
As for criminals? Yes, if guns are taken out of the hands of the law-abiding, then only criminals will have guns... and they WILL use them, just as they did before. Only now, with the comfort that their victims can't shoot back.
Lawls.
All you had to do was post that link, in fact you didn't even quote any of that as if it's your own words.
What a stupid, pointless post/topic; this adds to the stupidity because none of this is even your own words, it's completely copy+paste of what somebody else said. Good job, go back to school or something.
You don't need to carry a gun; explain to me all those times that any of you people personally needed one in a real experience, come on now, don't be shy; give a gun to a pussy and he is no longer a pussy, he can now kill others that piss him off or would hurt him.
As if being hurt a little is worth taking lives, but what ever....
Non-pussies don't need a gun, because they don't rely on a penis extension to always be there, saving their life in every possible situation, like your average gun-nut redneck enthusiasts.
I didn't, because they're not.
Huh, Newf? I posted this last night, before going to bed, and I get back this evening to find it's hit three pages already... also, the point is to stimulate discussion and/or comment, which it has done successfully. Just because it isn't my words doesn't mean a thing. I found it of interest, and shared it here, and provided the original link for reference. Plenty of people here have quoted the words of others before.
As for your next paragraph? It is pointless. Why? Because it has no basis in reality. Yes, it's your opinion, and you're perfectly free to share it, pointless or not, but it simply shows how you HAVEN'T DONE YOUR HOMEWORK on the subject. I own guns. However, I'm perfectly capable of killing people with my bare hands, if I so chose... which I don't. Having a gun in my pocket won't change who I am. As long as no one threatens me with a deadly weapon, any gun I carried (not possible, really, since I live in Kalifornia) would remain in my pocket. If someone came at me with fists, I would respond with fists... better yet, I'd respond with my brain, so I didn't have to use more than a finger or two. And tell me something, Newf... if someone intends you harm, how do you know that harm will be "little"...? A fist can kill or maim. What's hidden in that fist can also kill or maim. I'd rather not have my blood on the ground, or end up with an expensive emergency room visit. I've been up to my armpits in plaster enough times, thank you...
And sorry to disappoint you, Newf, but my penis is large enough as it is... I don't need to make it any bigger. Oh, and it isn't the gun I rely on... by carrying a gun, I'm relying on myself, not the state or some (at-that-exact-moment-absent) police officer, for my own protection, should need arise.
I eat the animals I kill and collect taxidermy animal parts (some of my interests are a tad morbid x3).
No antibiotics, no cruelty (that can be debated, though) and I know where my food is from. Plus everything I can't use (entrails, etc) I feed to buzzards. I hope that's what you mean...my reason to hunt is an empty freezer. I wish I had a better reason really...
Why? Your reason sounds perfectly good to me...
I never got the big deal about guns. There's more guns around here than in a lot of big cities and nobody's ever gotten shot, even accidently. It's liberal paranoia, nothing else.
Neither have I. I got my first gun from a hardware store, same place I could buy a hammer or chainsaw. A tool is a tool. Oh, and don't forget
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre...
.38 and .45 wadcutters (PPC, NRA-Bullseye) are still lethal to 100m. And all subsonic match grade .22 rimfire is deadly too, depending on shot placement. Hell, the stuff I shoot at 800-1,200m (typically .308 or 6.5x55) is arguably twice as lethal as factory hunting rounds...faster velocities and higher ballistics coefficients equates to more energy on target at longer ranges.
Less lethal?
Please, lets not turn sport shooting into Airsoft.*
I hear ya there...
I'd love to get hold of a rifle in 6.5x55, for the very reasons you state. Everything I've heard about that cartridge points to its ballistic and terminal efficiency.