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Why I don't carry a gun!

What exactly is wrong with a shooting range for shooting at targets?

Exactly, that's what I just said four posts above. I agree totally.

Like I said, less-lethal ammo. Target shooters can still shoot targets, people can still defend themselves with firearms, but less people die.

Of course, there's enough fully lethal ammo out there to last criminals for a while, but still. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
 

Doubler

Member
Uhm, you misunderstood. It was an honest question, not a rhetorical one. Even with heavy gun control there will still be shooting ranges. I could go shoot a gun any time I like, I just won't be taking it home :p

The 'only criminals have guns then' argument is a bit flawed, since it discounts police. Moreover, criminals won't be likely to carry guns if they're not likely to need one. They tend to attract a lot of attention when gun distribution is so limited.
To me, guns seem a bit of a vicious circle. One carries it because they feel the need to protect themselves from people who carry it because they feel the need to protect themselves from... etc. This also means the circle is incredibly hard to break once established. Like disarmament after an arms-race.
 
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Takun

Wof Wof Wof Wof Wof
Guns, the great equalizer.


I don't own a gun, because I'm not a faggot.
 

lilEmber

Small Dragon
Lawls.

All you had to do was post that link, in fact you didn't even quote any of that as if it's your own words.

What a stupid, pointless post/topic; this adds to the stupidity because none of this is even your own words, it's completely copy+paste of what somebody else said. Good job, go back to school or something.

You don't need to carry a gun; explain to me all those times that any of you people personally needed one in a real experience, come on now, don't be shy; give a gun to a pussy and he is no longer a pussy, he can now kill others that piss him off or would hurt him.
As if being hurt a little is worth taking lives, but what ever....

Non-pussies don't need a gun, because they don't rely on a penis extension to always be there, saving their life in every possible situation, like your average gun-nut redneck enthusiasts.
 

Gavrill

ladies~
I carry a gun because I hunt. And then I lock it in a closet afterward because I don't like the idea of someone accidentally dying because I can't keep my gun properly.
 

lilEmber

Small Dragon
I carry a gun because I hunt. And then I lock it in a closet afterward because I don't like the idea of someone accidentally dying because I can't keep my gun properly.

Nice job, you get cookies.

Though, before you get more than one; do you hunt for sport, pleasure/boredness, or is there a actual reason?
 

Gavrill

ladies~
Nice job, you get cookies.

Though, before you get more than one; do you hunt for sport, pleasure/boredness, or is there a actual reason?
I eat the animals I kill and collect taxidermy animal parts (some of my interests are a tad morbid x3).

No antibiotics, no cruelty (that can be debated, though) and I know where my food is from. Plus everything I can't use (entrails, etc) I feed to buzzards. I hope that's what you mean...my reason to hunt is an empty freezer. I wish I had a better reason really...
 
I never got the big deal about guns. There's more guns around here than in a lot of big cities and nobody's ever gotten shot, even accidently. It's liberal paranoia, nothing else.
 

ceacar99

behold my boomstick!
Non-pussies don't need a gun, because they don't rely on a penis extension to always be there, saving their life in every possible situation, like your average gun-nut redneck enthusiasts

hrmm.... reminds me of the fact that while many of the men in the nfl are considered massive, strong and capable they also often try to have a firearm close at hand when not at the stadium. they dont always have it on their person but many have been reported to have a handgun in their glove box.

simple fact is, no matter how strong or fast you are your not likely to stand a chance against a guy with a gun unless he's a real dumnshit.....

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/12/2/677498/guns-and-the-nfl
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/the-nfl-gun-culture/
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/157511/guns_violence_and_the_nfl.html?cat=14

the articles provided often have a viewpoint that discourages guns in the nfl, but it serves my purpose of demonstrating that those rather large strong men feel threatened and ARE threatened enough that they feel like they have to carry firearms.
 

Irreverent

Member
Like I said, less-lethal ammo. Target shooters can still shoot targets, people can still defend themselves with firearms, but less people die.

.38 and .45 wadcutters (PPC, NRA-Bullseye) are still lethal to 100m. And all subsonic match grade .22 rimfire is deadly too, depending on shot placement. Hell, the stuff I shoot at 800-1,200m (typically .308 or 6.5x55) is arguably twice as lethal as factory hunting rounds...faster velocities and higher ballistics coefficients equates to more energy on target at longer ranges.

Less lethal? Please, lets not turn sport shooting into Airsoft.* :rolleyes:
 

Roose Hurro

Lovable Curmudgeon
Banned
Hey, I go away for a bit, and you guys and gals have this up to three pages already... good job!

Well maybe when guns become as regulated as cars we can have this debate.

And also cars aren't designed to kill things.

That's kind of a big one

: /

I've brought this up before, but I'll bring it up again here: It doesn't matter what a thing is designed for, all that matters is how many lives are taken by abusing a thing. Cars kill more people each year in the US than guns... that is a provable, statistical fact. You can't just dismiss the figures by saying: "Well, cars weren't DESIGNED to kill." All that matters is, people died.


Yeah, but the main difference between weapons and cars is that most people don't drive a car with the intention of killing/hurting someone.

I don't own guns to kill people, I own them for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm. I hope never to need my gun the same way I hope never to hear my smoke alarm or to ever need that fire extinguisher. So far, I've never needed to use either my guns or my fire extinguisher to protect my life and property. And I hope I never will...


What exactly is wrong with a shooting range for shooting at targets?

Nothing... that's where I go to shoot targets, since I no longer live on ten acres in the middle of nowhere, with an outdoor range of my own.


Uhm, you misunderstood. It was an honest question, not a rhetorical one. Even with heavy gun control there will still be shooting ranges. I could go shoot a gun any time I like, I just won't be taking it home :p

The 'only criminals have guns then' argument is a bit flawed, since it discounts police. Moreover, criminals won't be likely to carry guns if they're not likely to need one. They tend to attract a lot of attention when gun distribution is so limited.
To me, guns seem a bit of a vicious circle. One carries it because they feel the need to protect themselves from people who carry it because they feel the need to protect themselves from... etc. This also means the circle is incredibly hard to break once established. Like disarmament after an arms-race.

Are you sure about that? Even without heavy gun control, people complain about the noise, or some government/environmental reg gets broken, and the range is shut down as a danger/nuisance. It's getting harder and harder to find good ranges anymore. Also, I find it odd that I can take my registered vehicle home... but not my registered gun? Why would I leave my car parked in someone else's locked garage?

As for criminals? Yes, if guns are taken out of the hands of the law-abiding, then only criminals will have guns... and they WILL use them, just as they did before. Only now, with the comfort that their victims can't shoot back.


Lawls.

All you had to do was post that link, in fact you didn't even quote any of that as if it's your own words.

What a stupid, pointless post/topic; this adds to the stupidity because none of this is even your own words, it's completely copy+paste of what somebody else said. Good job, go back to school or something.

You don't need to carry a gun; explain to me all those times that any of you people personally needed one in a real experience, come on now, don't be shy; give a gun to a pussy and he is no longer a pussy, he can now kill others that piss him off or would hurt him.
As if being hurt a little is worth taking lives, but what ever....

Non-pussies don't need a gun, because they don't rely on a penis extension to always be there, saving their life in every possible situation, like your average gun-nut redneck enthusiasts.

I didn't, because they're not.

Huh, Newf? I posted this last night, before going to bed, and I get back this evening to find it's hit three pages already... also, the point is to stimulate discussion and/or comment, which it has done successfully. Just because it isn't my words doesn't mean a thing. I found it of interest, and shared it here, and provided the original link for reference. Plenty of people here have quoted the words of others before.

As for your next paragraph? It is pointless. Why? Because it has no basis in reality. Yes, it's your opinion, and you're perfectly free to share it, pointless or not, but it simply shows how you HAVEN'T DONE YOUR HOMEWORK on the subject. I own guns. However, I'm perfectly capable of killing people with my bare hands, if I so chose... which I don't. Having a gun in my pocket won't change who I am. As long as no one threatens me with a deadly weapon, any gun I carried (not possible, really, since I live in Kalifornia) would remain in my pocket. If someone came at me with fists, I would respond with fists... better yet, I'd respond with my brain, so I didn't have to use more than a finger or two. And tell me something, Newf... if someone intends you harm, how do you know that harm will be "little"...? A fist can kill or maim. What's hidden in that fist can also kill or maim. I'd rather not have my blood on the ground, or end up with an expensive emergency room visit. I've been up to my armpits in plaster enough times, thank you...

And sorry to disappoint you, Newf, but my penis is large enough as it is... I don't need to make it any bigger. Oh, and it isn't the gun I rely on... by carrying a gun, I'm relying on myself, not the state or some (at-that-exact-moment-absent) police officer, for my own protection, should need arise.


I eat the animals I kill and collect taxidermy animal parts (some of my interests are a tad morbid x3).

No antibiotics, no cruelty (that can be debated, though) and I know where my food is from. Plus everything I can't use (entrails, etc) I feed to buzzards. I hope that's what you mean...my reason to hunt is an empty freezer. I wish I had a better reason really...

Why? Your reason sounds perfectly good to me...


I never got the big deal about guns. There's more guns around here than in a lot of big cities and nobody's ever gotten shot, even accidently. It's liberal paranoia, nothing else.

Neither have I. I got my first gun from a hardware store, same place I could buy a hammer or chainsaw. A tool is a tool. Oh, and don't forget The Texas Chain Saw Massacre...


.38 and .45 wadcutters (PPC, NRA-Bullseye) are still lethal to 100m. And all subsonic match grade .22 rimfire is deadly too, depending on shot placement. Hell, the stuff I shoot at 800-1,200m (typically .308 or 6.5x55) is arguably twice as lethal as factory hunting rounds...faster velocities and higher ballistics coefficients equates to more energy on target at longer ranges.

Less lethal? Please, lets not turn sport shooting into Airsoft.* :rolleyes:

I hear ya there...

I'd love to get hold of a rifle in 6.5x55, for the very reasons you state. Everything I've heard about that cartridge points to its ballistic and terminal efficiency.
 
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Gavrill

ladies~
Why? Your reason sounds perfectly good to me...
Because I feel like I'm being selfish. I know I gotta eat, but I don't like hurting things if I can help it. Though I admit hunting probably cuts down on the number of animals going through suffering in the meat market.

Oh, sorry for not responding to your counter-argument in your other gun thread, I was gone for the weekend. It's a bit late to add a counter-counter so I'll sit that one out. x3
 

Doubler

Member
Are you sure about that? Even without heavy gun control, people complain about the noise, or some government/environmental reg gets broken, and the range is shut down as a danger/nuisance. It's getting harder and harder to find good ranges anymore. Also, I find it odd that I can take my registered vehicle home... but not my registered gun? Why would I leave my car parked in someone else's locked garage?
If you want a reassurance: there's plenty of shooting ranges in this country, and fire-arms are illegal/heavily regulated.

As for the car: race drivers don't get to drive their cars home if they're not street-legal even if they wanted to. Why? They're not safe.

I also have to wonder why you think criminals are all psychopaths. Why would a criminal happily use a gun against people who are no threat to him, who do not threaten him? Why would he carry one (let alone use it) if it would only garner unwanted attention? And why haven't those countries that do not allow guns turned into anarchistic hell-holes run by criminals yet?
And what makes you discount law enforcement as 'law-abiding citizens'?

Edit: ugh, it's 5 in the morning and I'm tired. I thought you were saying 'they' would eventually shut down ranges on other pretenses, but you weren't suggesting anything of the sort. Sorry.
 
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jagdwolf

Just a simple innocent Wolf
The real point of guns in the hands of private citizens was best summed up by the man i respect the most.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson Papers (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

backed up by......

"(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison.

to protect me from this.....

"Government begins at the end of the gun barrel." - Chairman Mao
Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
 

Roose Hurro

Lovable Curmudgeon
Banned
Because I feel like I'm being selfish. I know I gotta eat, but I don't like hurting things if I can help it. Though I admit hunting probably cuts down on the number of animals going through suffering in the meat market.

Oh, sorry for not responding to your counter-argument in your other gun thread, I was gone for the weekend. It's a bit late to add a counter-counter so I'll sit that one out. x3

No problem, Shenzi... RL comes before Internet.

You really shouldn't feel selfish. Meat is meat, whether it comes from a store or not. I know I enjoyed what wild small game I was able to hunt, when I had ten acres to hunt on... all for the cost of a couple rounds of .22 rimfire, and my time and effort. I also think it tastes better, with all the time and effort involved. Because it was a task I performed, not something someone else put out the time and effort for. A job well done, if you will.


You're making a straw man of people in favour of gun control. If you want a reassurance: there's plenty of shooting ranges in this country, and fire-arms are illegal/heavily regulated.

As for the car: race drivers don't get to drive their cars home if they're not street-legal even if they wanted to. Why? They're not safe.

I also have to wonder why you think criminals are all psychopaths. Why would a criminal happily use a gun against people who are no threat to him, who do not threaten him? Why would he carry one (let alone use it) if it would only garner unwanted attention? And why haven't those countries that do not allow guns turned into anarchistic hell-holes run by criminals yet?
And what makes you discount law enforcement as 'law-abiding citizens'?

I'm not making anything of anyone... and the fact you have plenty of shooting ranges IN THE NETHERLANDS has nothing to do with the situation IN THE UNITED STATES. Different country, different culture, different situations. I've seen ranges disappear, and I have read and heard about ranges disappearing, so, in America, the possibility is real.

Ummm... excuse me? Race cars... not safe? Race cars are the safest cars on the road... I've seen the vids of crashes, drivers not only surviving horrendous, triple-digit wrecks, but walking away from them. The only reason race cars aren't driven home is because they are RACE CARS, not STREET CARS. That, and the regs for race cars differ from those of street cars... you see, quite a few race cars don't even have lights or turnsignals or speedos or window glass or insulation or...

... do you get the picture?

Way back when racing first started, many race cars were simply modified street cars, driven to the track, raced, then driven home...

Ummm... Doubler? What do you know about crime and criminal behavior? You're whole statement is fantasy. A criminal... a VIOLENT criminal... will use any form of intimidation they can get their hands on, whether or not they think the victim is armed:

http://rkba.org/research/wright/armed-criminal.summary.html


jagdwolf, thanks for your input...
 
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