Why the hate on bronies?

[Kurushimii]

When almost every encounter with bronies 2014-onwards has been the exact same, yes.

I can assure you, I'm not like that. None of my friends are like that. A lot of famous brony YouTubers I know aren't like that. I don't think you should generalize every last person in the brony community just because the ones you've met are jerks because that's hating the people that aren't like that. I don't get how that's fair. Almost every encounter isn't the same thing as every brony in the world because you haven't met all of the bronies on Earth. That's still just a minority and the next brony you could meet might be very kind and understanding.
If it's wrong to hate all furries over stereotypes, what makes it okay to hate all bronies over stereotypes? They're still furries. And I don't mean to come off as rude so I apologize if I do somehow, but didn't the original poster say "please, no hate"?

 

[Deleted member 115426]

Oh boy. Always has to be someone to stir the pot. If you want to talk about toxicity, just look at your own fandom. You'll find just as much there as in the brony fandom.

 

[Xitheon]

I love the show. I used to collect the FunKo vinyl figurines.

Most bronies are harmless eccentrics. I think they fell short of the ideal which they set for themselves (mutual acceptance of everyone, regardless of differences of opinion) but they tried their best. It was a good refuge for some vulnerable people. I knew one guy who was a bit socially unaware and autistic and had some unrealistic expectations (he wanted to be written into the show as a human character and he started a petition to have his fanfics made into episodes) and he was protected by his fellow bronies. They didn't shun or mock him, they were understanding and kind. Little glimmers of love and friendship like that made it extraordinary.

 

[The-Courier]

I can assure you, I'm not like that. None of my friends are like that. A lot of famous brony YouTubers I know aren't like that. I don't think you should generalize every last person in the brony community just because the ones you've met are jerks because that's hating the people that aren't like that. I don't get how that's fair. Almost every encounter isn't the same thing as every brony in the world because you haven't met all of the bronies on Earth. That's still just a minority and the next brony you could meet might be very kind and understanding.
If it's wrong to hate all furries over stereotypes, what makes it okay to hate all bronies over stereotypes? They're still furries. And I don't mean to come off as rude so I apologize if I do somehow, but didn't the original poster say "please, no hate"?

I'm not going to go out of my way to flame people on this board. I'm just simply tired of giving people the benefit of the doubt, thinking to myself that "this time is different" when in reality it's the same damn thing, over and over again, while expecting some modicum of change.

 

[AppleButt]

There was a loud toxic part of it once. That’s probably part of why.

I think the hate is kind of a thing of the past now for the most part, though. The shows concluded, it isn’t near as big as several years ago, and etc.

I do remember when furries and bronies hated each other for whatever reasons. I kinda miss those days. Nothing like a good hate war to spice things up a bit.

I'm not going to go out of my way to flame people on this board. I'm just simply tired of giving people the benefit of the doubt, thinking to myself that "this time is different" when in reality it's the same damn thing, over and over again, while expecting some modicum of change.

Sorry you’ve had those experiences. I personally haven’t had experiences to the extent you have.

Though, I will say while I do love the show I never really interacted much within the fandom, and the brony community I’m apart of now isn’t very large and isn’t like what you describe.

 

[TyraWadman]

Just because someone has left a comment on the discussion board doesn't mean they're stirring a pot or flaming. If you intend to get defensive the minute someone disagrees with you (instead of discussing your side), don't start a thread asking why or don't participate in one that asks why. Plain and simple.

I personally don't associate myself with any fandom in anticipation of all the drama (and because I'm not so interested in things that I can carry on conversations about it for 10 years). Once the berry starts to rot, nothing can be done to save the rest unless you remove them from the bunch. - paraphrasing ms. Judy, y'all. If you're all going to be a part of some label, you're all responsible for that entire label. Even if you strip that label away, that doesn't remove the fact that a large number of people that we encounter in our lives will be assholes or sexual deviants.

Straight up-

"Girl" properties never get good treatment. They are completely forgotten at worst, or they are never given any treatment for newer ages to enjoy. Things like Rainbow Bright, Strawberry Shortcake, etc...

Now, in more recent times this is changing, which is good. You've got Shera and even original content like Steven Universe. This movement of applying modern treatment of Girl properties started with My Little Pony in the mid 2000s. This is good.

But then you get these guys who come in and push the girls out. Part of it for reasons already mentioned, the "moe" culture- which has a lot of problematic roots of its own grounded in misogyny against real women. These characters just take over the property and spaces online, so it's difficult for the intended audience to connect and like them.

I'm not gonna waste my time coddling bronies either. Whether you are pushing girls out of the fandom or not-- I feel like if you're not willing to acknowledge the problems in your fandom, you are just as part of the problem as the 'bad apples'.

I get what you're saying. I don't think there should be 'girl-only shows' just like there are 'boy-only shows' but I can totally understand the frustration of just being a girl and trying to enjoy something without some 50 yr old guy (that refuses to grow up and accept reality) masturbating all over it.

Online it's much easier to discuss your interests, but in person? All males, I overhear them talking about a game I like and try to be confident and social... they just take one step closer to each other to exclude me from their social circle. If it's not about the game, it's about the 'hot characters'. If you're against them in a game, they're going to harass you for being born the way you are. Wearing outfits at conventions, you're gonna have pervs snappin' pics of you every other minute. Some people might even try to outright grope you. It can be very difficult and discouraging.

 

[Fruitythebeetle]

I love the show. I used to collect the FunKo vinyl figurines.

Most bronies are harmless eccentrics. I think they fell short of the ideal which they set for themselves (mutual acceptance of everyone, regardless of differences of opinion) but they tried their best. It was a good refuge for some vulnerable people. I knew one guy who was a bit socially unaware and autistic and had some unrealistic expectations (he wanted to be written into the show as a human character and he started a petition to have his fanfics made into episodes) and he was protected by his fellow bronies. They didn't shun or mock him, they were understanding and kind. Little glimmers of love and friendship like that made it extraordinary.

I think I read a fanfic that was similar to that, was he by any chance that guy?

 

[Xitheon]

I think I read a fanfic that was similar to that, was he by any chance that guy?

I don't know and (no offense) I wouldn't tell you if I did. I don't want him to be a "freakshow' victim. I respect his privacy and I will say no more.

 

[PercyD]

Just because someone has left a comment on the discussion board doesn't mean they're stirring a pot or flaming. If you intend to get defensive the minute someone disagrees with you (instead of discussing your side), don't start a thread asking why or don't participate in one that asks why. Plain and simple.

I personally don't associate myself with any fandom in anticipation of all the drama (and because I'm not so interested in things that I can carry on conversations about it for 10 years). Once the berry starts to rot, nothing can be done to save the rest unless you remove them from the bunch. - paraphrasing ms. Judy, y'all. If you're all going to be a part of some label, you're all responsible for that entire label. Even if you strip that label away, that doesn't remove the fact that a large number of people that we encounter in our lives will be assholes or sexual deviants.




I get what you're saying. I don't think there should be 'girl-only shows' just like there are 'boy-only shows' but I can totally understand the frustration of just being a girl and trying to enjoy something without some 50 yr old guy (that refuses to grow up and accept reality) masturbating all over it.

Online it's much easier to discuss your interests, but in person? All males, I overhear them talking about a game I like and try to be confident and social... they just take one step closer to each other to exclude me from their social circle. If it's not about the game, it's about the 'hot characters'. If you're against them in a game, they're going to harass you for being born the way you are. Wearing outfits at conventions, you're gonna have pervs snappin' pics of you every other minute. Some people might even try to outright grope you. It can be very difficult and discouraging.

As gender fluid as I am, I'm okay with girl shows and boy shows. They're both fun in their own ways. I'm also very okay with everyone watching their non-assigned shows too. It helps you build perspective and empathy, and what what.
I just need the same amount of respect and good treatment for girl shows.

And yea... Thats why I have trained in martial arts. I nearly broke somebody's hand once while I was in one of my lolita get ups and I still don't give a fuck.
This shouldn't be necessary. Not everyone can break someone's hand. But I will gladly do it until things change. One broken hand at at time.

 

[Deleted member 132067]

As gender fluid as I am, I'm okay with girl shows and boy shows. They're both fun in their own ways. I'm also very okay with everyone watching their non-assigned shows too. It helps you build perspective and empathy, and what what.
I just need the same amount of respect and good treatment for girl shows.

And yea... Thats why I have trained in martial arts. I nearly broke somebody's hand once while I was in one of my lolita get ups and I still don't give a fuck.
This shouldn't be necessary. Not everyone can break someone's hand. But I will gladly do it until things change. One broken hand at at time.

I don't have much to contribute here but for what it's worth, that was a nice read

 

[PercyD]

I don't have much to contribute here but for what it's worth, that was a nice read

Lol-

In the tradition of old 90s anime, you have to knock your assailant into the stratosphere. This requires training and discipline.

 

[quoting_mungo]

Now, in more recent times this is changing, which is good. You've got Shera and even original content like Steven Universe. This movement of applying modern treatment of Girl properties started with My Little Pony in the mid 2000s. This is good.

Wait what since when is Steven Universe a “girl show?” It’s never read as one to me, and when I asked boyfriend he didn’t think it was aimed at a particular gender, either.

 

[PercyD]

Wait what since when is Steven Universe a “girl show?” It’s never read as one to me, and when I asked boyfriend he didn’t think it was aimed at a particular gender, either.

Steven Universe is probably more like a "Queer Show" then any thing else-
But I'd be pushed to label it a girl's show because it pushed solutions to problems similarly to most girl shows, i.e. using mediation, seeking understanding, friendship.

Then again, the orginal Dragon Ball (which was an inspiration for SU btw) ALSO used the same principals to solve problems. Most people wouldn't consider that a "girl's show". Its an interesting concept.

There's also the rule of how much pf the cast and supporting cast are (femme). -Which, technically, its like 75% to 85% given all the gems. Steven Universe, though, is just subversive. I want to call it a Queer Show and be happy that something like this exists.

 

[Frank Gulotta]

Straight up-

"Girl" properties never get good treatment. They are completely forgotten at worst, or they are never given any treatment for newer ages to enjoy. Things like Rainbow Bright, Strawberry Shortcake, etc...

Now, in more recent times this is changing, which is good. You've got Shera and even original content like Steven Universe. This movement of applying modern treatment of Girl properties started with My Little Pony in the mid 2000s. This is good.

But then you get these guys who come in and push the girls out. Part of it for reasons already mentioned, the "moe" culture- which has a lot of problematic roots of its own grounded in misogyny against real women. These characters just take over the property and spaces online, so it's difficult for the intended audience to connect and like them.

I'm not gonna waste my time coddling bronies either. Whether you are pushing girls out of the fandom or not-- I feel like if you're not willing to acknowledge the problems in your fandom, you are just as part of the problem as the 'bad apples'.

Please tell me more about how men and boys enjoying a traditionally girly show "pushes girls out"

 

[Xitheon]

I'm just going to put this here.

 

[Raever]

Personally I don't mind "general" bronies since liking a cartoon is fine to me.
However, because some bronies sexualize characters it can get pretty personal to people whose childhoods revolved around the brand.
It's similar to seeing Mickey Mouse or Ash Ketchum in adult situations. Like, there are just certain things that should stay pure...imo.
This is just one fur's opinion on the matter, though. I'm sure others have different reasons.

 

[_Ivory_]

I dont hate the mlp fandom but i really dont get it, it makes me feel awkward to see adults being so exited about a show for kids. It may be a good show sure but thats what it is, nothing more. But it still got the interest of people that certainly are not the representation of the target of this show.
Furries are a community about anthros and based around the idea of being accepting and supporting to all kinds if people, and only after that we loved zootopia, which is a cartoon for kids, its a bit the same with the bronies. What im trying to say is that the difference is that they based their whole fandom on that cartoon. Also i dont like being associated with that fandom since having a horse character doesnt necessarily make you a furry or related to the furry fandom in my opinion.
And i will repeat: i REALLY dont understand that fandom.
If anybody has any clarifications about it ill be haply to listen

 

[Raever]

I dont hate the mlp fandom but i really dont get it, it makes me feel awkward to see adults being so exited about a show for kids. It may be a good show sure but thats what it is, nothing more. But it still got the interest of people that certainly are not the representation of the target of this show.

I'm in a weird position since I've loved cartoons in general as a kid (courage the cowardly dog, martin mystery, etc.) and continue to love them as an adult. While I don't jump up and down with glee or catapult over a couch to catch my favorite show as I may have once done, I think that the Bronies who do that are also as few and far between. It's kinda like the Rick and Morty fandom. There's some people who are laughably arrogant, but a majority of the fandom just appreciates the show for what it is and what it gives us and that's about it. I think Bronies get a bad reputation for being man or woman children and that's not really fair, especially since like Bronies, Littles will often feel happy when watching cartoons. For those of us who haven't lost that love of them, it just takes us back to a simpler time. Away from the responsibility of adulthood...and that, in essence, is kind of what being a cosplayer/otaku (and, yes, a furry) is as well. It's all about escapism. I'd just like to not see my favorite child friendly pony with sausages up it's butt, please and thank you google images.

So in short,

I think the hatred or disgust with bronies isn't much different from any other fandom.
It's all steeped in misunderstanding and misplaced judgement (and a few bad apples).

Plus, google searches don't make it any better.
I typed in "brony" and hit enter, and that's what popped up as the first result.
Those first few pictures....yikes.
No wonder outside people have bad misconceptions.

 

[PercyD]

Please tell me more about how men and boys enjoying a traditionally girly show "pushes girls out"

Well, firstly-
What do you want to hear? Cause I get the feeling it's not much.

 

[Ank57]

now, this isn't against all bronies, just some of the bad apples. Anyway
Build-A-Bear and MLP team up to make a pony for a disabled kid saying NOT to make porn of him
MLP porn artists make a lot of porn of him out of spite

 

[Raever]

Well, firstly-
What do you want to hear? Cause I get the feeling it's not much.

To be fair I'd also like to hear, because to be fair most kids who are of the age range that watch the show won't go looking around social media in mass quantities. They'll be too busy playing with their friends and having their moms and dads monitor their web activity to cause any real damage (large scale). There will always be bad things that happen and we can't change that (just look at our own community!) but it isn't right to put someone down and mask it under the statement, "It means the kiddies can't enjoy it!" because lemme tell ya, grown men liked MLP fifteen years ago, and they're gonna keep liking it. It's nothing new. It's just more openly talked about, and because it's openly talked about, it's open to criticism (unlike before). So... *shrugs* let people like what they wanna?

 

[Raever]

now, this isn't against all bronies, just some of the bad apples. Anyway
Build-A-Bear and MLP team up to make a pony for a disabled kid saying NOT to make porn of him
MLP porn artists make a lot of porn of him out of spite

I feel like that's just in poor taste at that point. >_>;
But hey, if it exists... *looks at Clippy in rule34* there's unfortunately going to be those people.
If a human can fetishize a paper clip, they're gonna sure as hell fetish something with a hole already included in the design.
Sorry to be graphic but, that's just the kinda depravity that's on the internet. Part of being an adult is, unfortunately, accepting that.
Whether we support it individually is another matter entirely (hence my previous statements of not judging, but not wanting to see either).

 

[PercyD]

To be fair I'd also like to hear, because to be fair most kids who are of the age range that watch the show won't go looking around social media in mass quantities. They'll be too busy playing with their friends and having their moms and dads monitor their web activity to cause any real damage (large scale). There will always be bad things that happen and we can't change that (just look at our own community!) but it isn't right to put someone down and mask it under the statement, "It means the kiddies can't enjoy it!" because lemme tell ya, grown men liked MLP fifteen years ago, and they're gonna keep liking it. It's nothing new. It's just more openly talked about, and because it's openly talked about, it's open to criticism (unlike before). So... *shrugs* let people like what they wanna?

It's a waste of my time to try to police what people should and should not like, one. It's a dumb argument.

Two, using the excuse "parents will protect children from nasty middle aged men on the internet" is besides the point. It's giving these "bad apples" as people have been calling them a pass. And I'm not about giving them a pass. I'm about calling out these so-called 'bad apples' and demanding the other people do so as well.

Three. The majority of this thread thus far has been examples of how these bad apples make the fandom unpleasant for people. From making it difficult to find content you can enjoy, to straight up harassment at cons and other places. I think that speaks for itself.

This isn't and won't ever be about grown men liking girl's content. Cause I tell you, I'm a grown ass femme being incredibly concerned about Steven Universe and his copious amounts of moms. Thats not the point, nor was it ever the point.
The point is people in the fandom need to start holding their peers accountable. To just *try* would be acceptable.
Those who try to make the fandom good for everyone is alright in my book. Those who don't are also just as bad in my book. --And thats been my answer to "why the hate on the bronies" this whole time.

Either you try to make the community a good place for everyone or you don't.

 

[Frank Gulotta]

Well, firstly-
What do you want to hear? Cause I get the feeling it's not much.

Something like "gotcha, I was trolling" but then again, feminism and Poe's law have a special relationship

 

[Deleted member 82554]

Because legends has it that they are even cringer than furries, or so they say.