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Why was the human drawing thread closed?

Azure Ocelot

New Member
Yeah, it is definitely time for a new kind of human thinking. We're growing out of some of our worst outdated ideas, sure, but we can do so much better. Our children are becoming smarter and more aware with every generation, maturing earlier, questioning more. If you want to call them "indigo children", that's what you call it. Given time, they will inherit the earth.
 

Mr Cullen

Member
Edge said:
This is one aspect of the furry fandom I'm not a fan of. The whole anti-human thing. When we're all human anyhow, the argument seems a little pointless.
It's much more proactive when furries get involved in enviromental and animal preservation fund raisers.

I agree with Edge, I think it's rather sad just how serious people take the fandom sometimes. For me it's never been that fandom itself thats the problem, but the people involved in it. A sort of one person spoils it for the rest of them sorta thing.

Since I can't be bothered expalining it all, and anyone whose been on the internet long enough will know what 'm talking about, I'm gonna leave it at that.
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
I agree with Edge, I think it's rather sad just how serious people take the fandom sometimes.
i share the same oppinion. but i also think that it is even more sad just how seriuos people take people some time, especially on the internet. try living a week without typing any smilies and see what i mean :) you'll make a completely different impression on others on the net. simply for the fact that you were using them for so long you forgot other ways of beeing funny and/or expressing your emotions and mood. *a very crude example, i agree* so what is happening to our sence of humor? is it degrading? or is it beeing vigurously squeezed into some sort of template thinking(like everything is as of late), meaning if someone said something and grinned - it must be funny and you laugh. if there was no grin to accompany the joke - then it is taken seriuos - and the joke is spoiled... why it became a preffered option to take stuff seriuosly rather then poking fun at it?(making fun of it?) why people find the need to clarify some time that they were beeing funny or sarcastical or simply not seriuos? even at times when it is clearly noticable? this just isn't right. but then again, the more you look the more such anomalities you see around you... and it is all society's fault! :) *this is a joke, ok?*
 

Edge

Member
Mr Cullen said:
For me it's never been that fandom itself thats the problem, but the people involved in it.

Well said. That can be applied to a lot of situations actually.
What was also well said was "I agree with Edge" :wink:
 

Mr Cullen

Member
It's the same with other things I'm interested in like RPGs or anime, people are all like: OMG YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH MY OPINIONS OR SOME LITTLE FANTASY WORL I LIVE IN SO YOU ARE A HORRIBLE MEAN NAZI! I WILL TELL ALL MY FRIENDS ABOUT YOU AND WE WILL CAUSE DRAMA AND HATRED!
 

Darkmark

New Member
You don't need to be a furry to see that there are things wrong with the world. Go to a University and ask a Sociology student, or professor. Far as I can tell, Sociology is all about finding, understanding, and reasoning about the many problems of the world and society as we know it.

Or go to a Library and find some Sociology texts. Or the movies produced/directed by Sut Jhally (Advertising And The End Of The World, Tough Guise, and others). Or take a Sociology course.
 

Xax

Member
Darkmark said:
You don't need to be a furry to see that there are things wrong with the world.

No, but apparently you do need to be a furry to say "the whole problem with the world is that hyoomans are horrible and we need to get about to our animal roots and yiff a lot."
 

Edge

Member
Furry fandom should be about meeting cool people and looking at good art and yes, looking up porn. If you're a furry just to bitch about how bad it is to be human, then you're just no fun.

On another note, the original thread asked if we could even draw people anymore. I could never draw people - that's why I became a furry artist. And I'm glad that I can't draw people now.
 

vashdragon

Member
Edge said:
On another note, the original thread asked if we could even draw people anymore. I could never draw people - that's why I became a furry artist. And I'm glad that I can't draw people now.

Couldnt draw people to begin with myself.
 

Azure Ocelot

New Member
I'm actually getting a little bit better at drawing people thanks to my work with anthros and other "intermediates". I could only draw animals before. Now I can do humanoids and am working on actual humans. Still, animals and anthros remain my fave.

As for humans being the only problem, no, we're not. What pisses me off is that we can decide NOT to be a problem, and yet, more than half the time we make the wrong decision. The whole planet is in our hands, we could destroy almost all life on the face of it if we were to try, species become extinct at our whim-- no other species has ever, to my knowledge, had such power and been aware of it-- and yet, all we seem to care about is our own petty, stupid problems.

Do I think being an animal is the solution? No, because animals aren't aware of their role and cannot change it. Humans have the potential to do great good as well as great harm. I think the solution, rather, lies in blending human reason and animal instinct-- remembering that we were like them once, and having compassion for all species, not just our own. Yiffing is all fine and dandy, but that's not the getting back to animal roots that I'm talking about. We need to think like humans AND like animals if we're to survive. Hence the appeal of anthros.
 

Edge

Member
Well said Azure. And somewhat along those lines, I feel that anthros and other furries can be great metaphors for human behaviour. Just look at Looney Tunes, or better yet, Maus.
Of course, they can also be very cute too.
 

Tabuu-Lion

Member
I started off drawing humans...well sorta. I guess I really started off with ninja turtles, but it was more about the whole comic book fandom than anything, which is mostly comprised of humans or pseudo-humans. I got a grasp on them anatomywise first, since I mostly only went for they type that wore masks (didn't have to draw facial features <.<; ). After a whole, I got good enough with faces too.

Human-types are what I am best in, and in actuality I don't really do furries too well. I only really discovered it and persued the style as "furry" for a year or so now. I'm still very lacking in combining and anthropomorphisizing animal features.

I all the way suck at pure animals, so most times they don't make it past my sketchbook.
 
Not to back track from the threads current progression, but I just figured out how to say what I wanted to say.

yak said:
if someone said something and grinned - it must be funny and you laugh. if there was no grin to accompany the joke - then it is taken seriuos - and the joke is spoiled

This is the very logic behind laugh tracks in sitcoms. It is simply that laughing is contagious, and by putting in laughing noises you tell the viewer when to laugh. Like everything, there are two extremes to the use of the laugh track, and both ends have been reached. On one side you have Andy Khaufman's sitcom "Taxi" which had no laugh track, and not too surprisingly, despite it being one of the best sitcoms of all time, the viewer will not laugh at it nearly as much as with other sitcoms. On the other end is "The War at Home," which is a horrible sitcom due mostly to poor acting, that for some reason I find myself laughing through. Quite simply it is the over used laugh track.

But on to what this imposes on humanity at large. You see the laugh track is the culmination of modern mans need to be told what to do. We, as a people, not as individuals, have forgotten a basic function, the convulsion of the lungs to produce laughter at the appropriate time. This goes all the way back to Great Eras of Kings when a man in the presence of the king would not laugh until the king had laughed first. For if you laugh, and the king does not, then clearly it wasn't funny, and you were out of line. A most embarrassing thing to do. Now, I am not saying there is a direct connection between that and the modern laugh track, however it is based on the same principle: embarrassment, or being out of place.

In man's ever going quest to fit into society, being embarrassed is number one on the list of things not to be. To avoid embarrassment we look for any number of subtle social hints to guide us along the path to appropriateness. A few people can tap into these clues so effortlessly and smoothly it seems as though they instinctively know what it correct to say at all times when it is simply that they themselves are so good at reading minor social clues that they themselves do not know they are doing it. These are the people that become the leaders of groups. The most popular of the popular. At this point one might point out that the Fonzes of the world do not always say the "right" thing, but in truth they do. As Einstein would say, "Everything is relative." One must not think of authority figures, be they teachers, police, politicians, whatever as the ones who define social correctness. It is the friends of the popular people who define it.

Now I am starting to sound like a bitter highschool nerd outcast, I know, however it is not without reason. What I am getting at is that humanity is not at some evolutionary turning point, but infact at a social singularity. More and more of human culture is becoming smoothed into a single stream because when you take a large mass and allow it to define its own workings, things will inevitably be worked into a consensus where all parties agree what is best. Clearly at this point in time man is no where near this. One must but take a passing glance at the middle east to see this blatantly spelt out for them. However 1000 years is but a drop of water in the ocean when time is infinite.

Long after our lives have expired and our bones gone to dust, culture will not exist any longer in the way we perceive it. Man will not hunt man for his beliefs. But at this point, when all is one, when the matter of society is crushed into a single point. At that point a new thing will happen. A cultural explosion will burst forth, rocketing man from its Utopian flat culture into a new time of war, strife, and beauty.


Ape Shall Never Kill Ape said:
yak, have you considered joining scientology? You really seem to fit the profile, and I bet they could help bring out some of those special gifts you have that society has been supressing.

On a quick side not to Scientology: The movie Battlefield Earth is scientology. As a movie, it is a complete waste of time and money, however it redeems itself with how well it represents scientology. If you do not believe me, find someone who owes you five bucks (because its not worth using your own money to see it), rent it, and study it. Also, it gives credits to L. Ron Hubard.



And finally, I personally find humans easier to draw than furries, however furries are much more entertaining to draw, and peak my interest far easier than things depicting humans.
 

verix

some dragon
Oznor said:
This is the very logic behind laugh tracks in sitcoms. It is simply that laughing is contagious, and by putting in laughing noises you tell the viewer when to laugh.
This is why I like My Name is Earl so much. It's a sitcom that doesn't need to exploit the viewer into laughing at it because it's goddamn hilarious on its own.
 

The Lone Nomad

New Member
My two cents on humans:

To me, I feel like there is such a large desensitization (is that a word?) of the notion that humans are animals. You see it all the time...humans wanting to be perfect, more machine than animal. It's really kind of sad, but also the backlash of people thinking they're more "wild" animal than human is just as bad. I feel that humans should embrace their species as well as embracing the fact that we're still a part of the animal kingdom, still a part of the food chain, and still capable of making mistakes and evolving.

To be honest, I thought that's what the Furry Fandom is all about...getting rid of that red line between humans and other animals and having respect for them equally.

Anyway, going back to the initial subject of drawing humans, I LOVE drawing people! It's one of my favorite things to do, so much that I hardly work on trying to draw animals better :(

I was in a figure drawing class this semester and last semester. Here's one of my best human drawings:
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