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Will I be picked on for being a fur?

Fox_720B

Has left FAF, at least for now

Ravy Marie White

Loves a blueberry addict.
Correct. The stickies are there because it gets discussed ad nauseum, and it was to try and prevent repetitive circomlocution. And yes, people run out of things to talk about so there is a lot of meta discussion here.

That said, there are some inherent truths, such as not needing to "come out as a furry." That sticky exists as a reality check for someone going down that spiral. If you are at that point, you need to reassess your priorities because it isn't healthy to take *anything* to the point of obsession like that.

You'll notice on every forum things become circular after a while. Some people are just bored in work though, and don't really care;3

Oh good. I'm glad to see that my vocabulary won't leave everyone in confusion. I will say that I disagree, however, with the idea that there are no circumstances where one has to "come out" as a furry. Some people are extremely judgmental of furries and are prone to preconceived notions that are quite negative. When dealing with those people, especially if they are close friends and family, the revelation of such an interest can have devastating effects. Rather than condemn people for viewing it as a coming out, perhaps it would be more beneficial to posit the idea that there are others out there who are more accepting. The way the message is currently delivered risks causing dissent among those who should be understanding of each other and has room for improvement.

Furries deserve to get picked on.

Just like fags and nerds.

/assuming this is /b/ thread in 4chan and not a furry community forum. lol
 

Ricky

Well-Known Member
Oh good. I'm glad to see that my vocabulary won't leave everyone in confusion. I will say that I disagree, however, with the idea that there are no circumstances where one has to "come out" as a furry. Some people are extremely judgmental of furries and are prone to preconceived notions that are quite negative. When dealing with those people, especially if they are close friends and family, the revelation of such an interest can have devastating effects. Rather than condemn people for viewing it as a coming out, perhaps it would be more beneficial to posit the idea that there are others out there who are more accepting. The way the message is currently delivered risks causing dissent among those who should be understanding of each other and has room for improvement.

In roughly 100% of those cases the perception is negative because of the way it was described.

Take these two examples:

"Hey, mom -- I just realized I'm into art and joined a website that focuses on humanized animal drawings."

"That's nice, dear."

vs.

"Hey, mom -- there's something I *have* to tell you. I realized I have been a furry my whole life and it is very important to me. I need you to know this because I feel like it defines me and my sexuality, and I found a group of like-minded individuals online. They even want me to go to one of their meets, at yiffyfox's house!"

... mom Googles it

"Hun, I don't think you should use a computer anymore, at least until you are 18. Possibly forever."

See the difference?

Most people (meaning like, the VAST majority) have no clue what 'Furry' even is. Even if you are talking to someone who adamantly watches reruns of CSI, they are going to base their judgement on how you represent things. If you represent it as a hobby and art, nobody will bat an eyelash. If you seem like you are coming out of the closet and getting involved in some weird underground sex circle, you will get a less than positive reaction.
 

Fox_720B

Has left FAF, at least for now
Ricky does have a good point. The way in which you phrase it can indeed make a huge difference in how it's received. I think people here have been getting tired of users provoking a negative response to being furry by phrasing things in the manner described above. However, I also feel that if negative perceptions already exist in the people that one is describing the fandom to, then perhaps a little more explanation might be in order.

Either way, the potential always exists for someone to react negatively to anything they don't understand. The way you use your words can help your case.
 

Ravy Marie White

Loves a blueberry addict.
I get what you are saying but there are other areas of furry interest beyond "humanized animal drawings". For someone who identifies themselves as being feral when it comes to intimacy as a result of their furry interest, the news can often make or break a relationship. In my experience in other areas of furry culture (as in, outside of this forum) the term "furry" was not limited to wearing suits and appreciating anthropomorphic art. A wide variety of nuances were accepted as being parts of the culture that may or may not be practiced. (Unlike here where I've seen people berated for enjoying making animal noises in real life, which seems, I must admit, a bit counterproductive in this environment.) That being said, I'm a bit perplexed as to the assumption that there is nothing about being a furry that requires a revelation to anyone that could be socially damaging.
 

Ricky

Well-Known Member
I get what you are saying but there are other areas of furry interest beyond "humanized animal drawings". For someone who identifies themselves as being feral when it comes to intimacy as a result of their furry interest, the news can often make or break a relationship.

That's different than furry, though. The term *always* had to do with *anthropomorphic* animals. That seems more related to therian/otherkin or maybe just something weird one likes in bed.

In that case, you might want to tell your PARTNER but there is no reason you need to "come out" to everyone about all your weird sexual fetishes. It's kind of a moot point. Either way you look at it, you are safe just by using tact and common sense.
 

Lucy Bones

Banned
Banned
Ricky's the worst furry.

I pick on him all the time, what a loooooser.
 

Rigby

Diaperfurs 4 Lyfe
Until someone finally defines a clear definition of "furry" and then that definition comes into popular use, this will always be a pointless discussion. To some, being a furry is just having an affinity or fetish (non-sexual) for anthro cartoon animals and that's it. Others, on the other hand, strongly believe it's someone who jacks off to furry porn on their computer to feed their need for latent zoophile fantasies without the guilt or connotations of being a zoophile. Go to a furmeet and you'll find tons of people who insist it's a non-threatening hobby and that's it. Go to, say, Encyclopedia Dramatica, and look up what they have to say about furries and it's the latent zoophile spiel. Add "lifestylers" and fursuiters into the mix along with how liberally people are labelled "furry" and it's just an incomprehensible mess.

Since there isn't any real definition (and looking up the different definitions leads to more questions than answers) there very well may be people who "need" to "come out" as a "furry." Who knows? No one does, but everyone seems to have a lot to say anyways.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Until someone finally defines a clear definition of "furry" and then that definition comes into popular use, this will always be a pointless discussion. To some, being a furry is just having an affinity or fetish (non-sexual) for anthro cartoon animals and that's it. Others, on the other hand, strongly believe it's someone who jacks off to furry porn on their computer to feed their need for latent zoophile fantasies without the guilt or connotations of being a zoophile. Go to a furmeet and you'll find tons of people who insist it's a non-threatening hobby and that's it. Go to, say, Encyclopedia Dramatica, and look up what they have to say about furries and it's the latent zoophile spiel. Add "lifestylers" and fursuiters into the mix along with how liberally people are labelled "furry" and it's just an incomprehensible mess.

Since there isn't any real definition (and looking up the different definitions leads to more questions than answers) there very well may be people who "need" to "come out" as a "furry." Who knows? No one does, but everyone seems to have a lot to say anyways.


There's already a generalized definition for Furry, the rest is just subjective opinion and how the individual participates in it.
 

Ravy Marie White

Loves a blueberry addict.
That's different than furry, though. The term *always* had to do with *anthropomorphic* animals. That seems more related to therian/otherkin or maybe just something weird one likes in bed.

In that case, you might want to tell your PARTNER but there is no reason you need to "come out" to everyone about all your weird sexual fetishes. It's kind of a moot point. Either way you look at it, you are safe just by using tact and common sense.

Exhibit A: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Furry
Note that Cartoons and Games, Spirituality, Art and Creativity, Fursuiting and Sexuality are all listed as possible nuances of being a furry.
A furry may be interested in any or all of them, to any degree.



Since there isn't any real definition (and looking up the different definitions leads to more questions than answers) there very well may be people who "need" to "come out" as a "furry." Who knows? No one does, but everyone seems to have a lot to say anyways.

A valid viewpoint. Much appreciated.
 

Rigby

Diaperfurs 4 Lyfe
There's already a generalized definition for Furry, the rest is just subjective opinion and how the individual participates in it.

You're right, there probably already is A generalized definition, but is it widely accepted and used? I've seen enough dumb arguments here about the definition of a "furry" to confidently say there is not. If not, what's the point? I could go around yelling "the definition of 'gay' is 'happy'," angrily at everyone who uses it to describe homosexuality or correct everyone when they say "conversate," a word that technically doesn't exist, but that's not how language works. The dictionary exists to reflect the definition of the words and the way we use them, not the other way around.
 
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Lucy Bones

Banned
Banned
That's just semantics, now. All language is an illusion influenced by human society, anything can mean anything as long as someone consistently says it does.

I direct you to the popular children's book, Frindle.
 

Ricky

Well-Known Member
Note that Cartoons and Games, Spirituality, Art and Creativity, Fursuiting and Sexuality are all listed as possible nuances of being a furry.

That is obvious and I'm sure everyone here knows that.

Someone asked what the definition of furry is.

It is simply an interest in anthropomorphic animals.

You're right, there probably already is A generalized definition, but is it widely accepted and used?

Yes.
 

Ravy Marie White

Loves a blueberry addict.
That is obvious and I'm sure everyone here knows that.

Someone asked what the definition of furry is.

It is simply an interest in anthropomorphic animals.

I interpreted the quote directly beneath the list of possible nuances (taken from the same Wiki page) to be an addition to the definition. I'm open to being proven wrong, however, if you have any references that would solidify your interpretation.
 

Ricky

Well-Known Member
I interpreted the quote directly beneath the list of possible nuances (taken from the same Wiki page) to be an addition to the definition. I'm open to being proven wrong, however, if you have any references that would solidify your interpretation.

I don't need references. "Nuances" that spin off of something can't be part of its definition because they are only valid in a small subset of cases. That's why the actual definition will always be vague; it is the true common denominator.
 

Rigby

Diaperfurs 4 Lyfe

The "furry is just an excuse to fulfill oppressed bestiality fantasies" definition is widely used and accepted by quite a few people too. All language is a series of semantics and inherently arbitrary definitions.

My point is, there's such a huge discrepancy between personal definitions for the term that saying "nuh uh, that's NOT what it means!" is dumb. That's a dumb thing to do. Please stop doing that, it'll save you years of your life that you'd waste fighting about the definition of the word (and I doubt you registered an account here just to fight about the definition of "furry").
 

Kalmor

Banned
Banned
Take the word "fan" (not a "fanatic"), what kind of fan makes no effect on the definition "A device for creating a current of air or a breeze". Electric fan? Hand fan? Doesn't matter.

Unless that was just a terrible example and I'm missing the point.
 

Rigby

Diaperfurs 4 Lyfe
Take the word "fan" (not a "fanatic"), what kind of fan makes no effect on the definition "A device for creating a current of air or a breeze". Electric fan? Hand fan? Doesn't matter.

Unless that was just a terrible example and I'm missing the point.

A fan is a physical object with concrete properties, a furry is an abstract concept people either choose to identify as or are labelled as; it's not as black and white as describing the physical properties of a fan (due primarily to vague criteria and liberal application of the term).

Use the other definition of a "fan" (fanatic), what is the threshold for someone being a fan of something? How much and in what ways do you have to like something? If one person is a "fan," are they the going to be a "fan" in the same way another person is? Of course not, so a definition is harder to make (it helps that the term has been in use for much, much longer than "furry," but you should get my point).
 
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