Would it be a crime to suggest that body fetishes be moved to nsfw?

[Raever]

Okay, okay fellow furs (and others) hear me out!

I am not, at all, kink shaming. I have my weird things, and I'm sure everyone else has theirs but, I'd prefer seeing SFW stuff when looking at things with SFW turned on.

It's really, really hard to explain to friends, family, co-workers, etc why there's a soiled diapered digimon farting in my face when all I typed in was it's name expecting some cool family friendly fan art - and while yes, it's technically not showing anything...people still choose to get off to it, enjoy it, and make art of it for the purpose of sexual or sensual satisfaction. We're not going to pretend it's "SFW" just because it doesn't have a dick the size of a skyscraper hanging out of it's diaper are we?

This logic goes for all "gross out" kinks by the way, or really any fetishes that are...well, clearly fetishes. I know it can be difficult if someone say, has a "hat" fetish or something, but some things are much easier to put into NSFW (ex. Feet, Diapers, Watersports, Vore, etc.). It's kind of weird that it's just all out there in SFW. At least, to me it's pretty weird. And a little gross (because hey, that's the kink!).

Again, I don't care what art is in the adult section or how lewd, crude, and messy it may be - but can we please for the sake of young eyes and simply eyes that don't want to see specific fetish art in the safe label avoid putting it there to begin with? Can it just be considered NSFW or at the very least not General and SFW? It's honestly my largest gripe with FA's sorting system and I'm really getting sick of gagging every time I try to find some art under the SFW category. I have a weak stomach guys. T_T

 

[AceQuorthon]

Okay, okay fellow furs (and others) hear me out!

I am not, at all, kink shaming. I have my weird things, and I'm sure everyone else has theirs but, I'd prefer seeing SFW stuff when looking at things with SFW turned on.

It's really, really hard to explain to friends, family, co-workers, etc why there's a soiled diapered digimon farting in my face when all I typed in was it's name expecting some cool family friendly fan art - and while yes, it's technically not showing anything...people still choose to get off to it, enjoy it, and make art of it for the purpose of sexual or sensual satisfaction. We're not going to pretend it's "SFW" just because it doesn't have a dick the size of a skyscraper hanging out of it's diaper are we?

This logic goes for all "gross out" kinks by the way, or really any fetishes that are...well, clearly fetishes. I know it can be difficult if someone say, has a "hat" fetish or something, but some things are much easier to put into NSFW (ex. Feet, Diapers, Watersports, Vore, etc.). It's kind of weird that it's just all out there in SFW. At least, to me it's pretty weird. And a little gross (because hey, that's the kink!).

Again, I don't care what art is in the adult section or how lewd, crude, and messy it may be - but can we please for the sake of young eyes and simply eyes that don't want to see specific fetish art in the safe label avoid putting it there to begin with? Can it just be considered NSFW or at the very least not General and SFW? It's honestly my largest gripe with FA's sorting system and I'm really getting sick of gagging every time I try to find some art under the SFW category. I have a weak stomach guys. T_T

I cannot agree more, I don’t wanna see porn most of the time and it’s always annoying seeing “non explicit” fetish art here and there which obviously only serves the purpose of getting people off.

 

[Frank Gulotta]

If your coworkers are curious about Digimon, you should direct them to the TV show

You're not wrong tho. But it has limits, some people's fetish are completely innocuous and inoffensive unless you're really looking to feel offended, which makes sense as many of them come from childhood; thus many can be found in any, very respectable children's TV shows. Someone I know has a thing for a specific scene from an obscure animation movie; all it is, is a character twitching in his sleep as he's having a nightmare. The only disgusting part about this, is how often he's gotten artists to draw it for him for free. Literally in the hundreds of times.

 

[Raever]

If your coworkers are curious about Digimon, you should direct them to the TV show

Tis an example, lol.
God forbid I scroll FA 0n my break with SFW mode on and stumble across the unmentionables.

But it has limits, some people's fetish are completely innocuous and inoffensive unless you're really looking to feel offended

I dunno, it's less that I'm "offended" and more that I just don't want to see fetish art. It's not that it "offends" me, it's that it's not my thing, and if people jack off to it I don't wanna see it. It's just a weird vibe killer when looking for more tasteful, innocent, and genuine art. Which, the argument can then be made "someone can jack off to anything" and you're right, but for example...

Here is an innocent feral art: www.furaffinity.net: (Com) IndygoWolf by GoldenGriffiness
Here is vore art: www.furaffinity.net: Sleeping time? by KurtCbRox

Both found via the browse tab with no keywords and with SFW mode on.
Am I saying either art is "bad" or "wrong"? Not at all!

But a fetish is a fetish, "innocently portrayed" or not, and I feel that furs who want to avoid fetish art should be able to do so via the SFW function provided to us.

Don't even get me started on things like these, also found on SFW via browse and no search functions:

- www.furaffinity.net: "Bountiful" Fortune by Blu-The-Elemental-Dragon
- www.furaffinity.net: [Collab]: Peaceful by SuburbanWilderness
- www.furaffinity.net: Another press by KurtCbRox

Or something like this (www.furaffinity.net: YCH REMINDER by Xlebcheg) where, it is censored, but still belongs in mature since it's not exactly SFW even with the censors. It's just Mature instead of Explicit. God forbid a thirteen year old see's this kinda stuff (or worse,) while on the site using SFW. Whether or not they're damaged by it is a whole other argument I don't feel like making, but I would like for better filters or at the very least slightly stronger SFW stuff put in place. For both the adults that want to avoid fetish art, and kids who shouldn't be seeing it anyway.

 

[KnightsSorrow]

As a person that has more than a few questionable kinks, I actually agree with you. Anything that is clearly a kink/fetish should be tagged as Mature or Adult. However the downside is that when people submit their art, quite a few people don't properly tag their art as Mature/Adult... or even add optional tags that would make searching for things easier.

 

[Raever]

As a person that has more than a few questionable kinks, I actually agree with you. Anything that is clearly a kink/fetish should be tagged as Mature or Adult. However the downside is that when people submit their art, quite a few people don't properly tag their art as Mature/Adult... or even add optional tags that would make searching for things easier.

For some reason I thought mods or the very site had some form of filtering system, but I guess members being able to apply tags would eventually be a necessary update. -_-;

 

[PercyD]

I feel like this shouldn't be an unreasonable request-

I made a thread awhile ago about consent culture in kinky spaces and it exploded. Mainly becausr an unreasonable amount of people didn't seem to understand that you have to get consent of the audience before doing kinky shit.

It was something to the tune of "We wouldn't ever be able to be kinky! You can't ask each individual person if it's okay!"

To which, the practical answer is to have designated kinky spaces. Thats the point. You can't have kinky shit happening out in public. It has to be in a space where everyone WANTS TO see it. It's already a thing in other kink communities. I'm not sure how much of it is trolls in the furry community or if it's just a widespread disregard for boundaries.

 

[KnightsSorrow]

For some reason I thought mods or the very site had some form of filtering system, but I guess members being able to apply tags would eventually be a necessary update. -_-;

I just doubled check, and when you go to upload a submission, the uploader has to flag it as General, Mature or Adult. And there's no default or automatic selection, the uploader has to manually select one of the three options, so there's no excuse for it in my opinion, other than people don't care to mark their pieces correctly or are ignorant to the fact that kinks are kinks, and are definitely NSFW.

What would make things better if there was a system for other users to flag pieces that are inappropriately marked as General.

 

[PercyD]

I just doubled check, and when you go to upload a submission, the uploader has to flag it as General, Mature or Adult. And there's no default or automatic selection, the uploader has to manually select one of the three options, so there's no excuse for it in my opinion, other than people don't care to mark their pieces correctly or are ignorant to the fact that kinks are kinks, and are definitely NSFW.

What would make things better if there was a system for other users to flag pieces that are inappropriately marked as General.

I think it exists....? You can report artworks. But the button for is hard to find.

 

[TyraWadman]

Even off of FA, kids can't look up pokemon without seeing inflation/diaper fetishes or pokemon in suggestive/softcore poses.

 

[OvineTanuki]

I agree 100%. We all have weird stuff we're into, that doesn't mean everyone else has to see it. Like seriously, you're an idiot if you think something that's technically """""SFW""""" like Vore/ABDL/Inflation/Paws isn't sexually charged. Furries have a hard enough time as it is, younger furs especially, and having 90 percent of the front page be kinks doesn't help. I just want cute pictures of neon-colored animals if I have SFW mode on.

 

[Ziggy Schlacht]

You're not the first person to complain about the grey area that is fetish art, and as purveyor of smut, I find the categories to be vague, at best. Though my art tends either be explicitly NSFW or fine.

Define "mature themes" or "geared towards adult audiences." Given that we could sit and argue examples for days, these seem too general. I would think there needs to be a 4th category - would you show this to grandma. If you wouldn't show it to your grandmother, then it probably shouldn't count as SFW. Or perhaps "this is fetish-specific art" as an option. Really, there doesn't need to be a big complicated tagging system, just one more question. Or, by default, anything categorized as not "general furry art" gets the filter applied, though this would need a few more categories to handle what could be described as "vanilla" porn.

 

[Skittles]

I 100% agree! I have the same issue when people have asked me about the fandom.

 

[BlackDragonAJ89]

It's a tough call; not because I'm against the idea of more control over NSFW stuff, but rather as in my case, what exactly gets the NSFW label?

Muscle and fat art are something of a very big grey area. People have no problem reading comics that have characters with Rob Liedfieldian proportions, but the kinds of body horror I've seen in this category could warrant NSFW tags. But how much is really too much? Is a fat woman in a bikini truly too much? I can easily see a naked character getting the label, and a lot of this squashing stuff is certainly not for everyone, but people like me who are "in the middle" of either safe or risque really are in a predicament.

 

[Vesper The Coyusky]

This is something that I hate how this content gets mislabeled. If it's kinky, if it's, tickling or light bondage, it still should be labeled as mature or adult content NSFW, not general SFW. I also don't want younger furs and children to see the dark side of the art world unless their over 18. They should only view normal general furry art, not advertising that stuff.

 

[TyraWadman]

I recently opened up a ticket to report adult content being posted under the incorrect rating and the staff told me they were leaving it as it didn't conflict with the newest update on the AUP they're working on.
The character was being groped and having their nipples pinched and their crotch was conveniently censored by a prop (but crotch hair still abundant). So it sounds to me like these new rules are gonna give them more legroom than anything.

 

[Ziggy Schlacht]

@TyraWadman Now that's odd. I would think FA would err on the side of caution and be more, not less, restrictive, less the morality police come after them. Though your example, even if technically not explicit, would be caught with a "yes, this is fetish art" filter. Really think that's all we need.

 

[Raever]

It's a tough call; not because I'm against the idea of more control over NSFW stuff, but rather as in my case, what exactly gets the NSFW label?

Muscle and fat art are something of a very big grey area. People have no problem reading comics that have characters with Rob Liedfieldian proportions, but the kinds of body horror I've seen in this category could warrant NSFW tags. But how much is really too much? Is a fat woman in a bikini truly too much? I can easily see a naked character getting the label, and a lot of this squashing stuff is certainly not for everyone, but people like me who are "in the middle" of either safe or risque really are in a predicament.

In regards to muscle or fat art I feel like the arguably easy way is to decide whether something is proportionately accurate. If someone is more blob than human, like literally standing on their bellies, or they have an ass bigger than their entire torso/head/legs combined...that's a pretty clear mature tag at the very least. If not NSFW. >_>;

@TyraWadman Now that's odd. I would think FA would err on the side of caution and be more, not less, restrictive, less the morality police come after them. Though your example, even if technically not explicit, would be caught with a "yes, this is fetish art" filter. Really think that's all we need.

Gotta agree with this one 100%.

Then again, FA has always been a bit...well...lenient with highly questionable things.

 

[Raever]

Even off of FA, kids can't look up pokemon without seeing inflation/diaper fetishes or pokemon in suggestive/softcore poses.

If their safety settings are turned on the chances of "stumbling" into such things are so much less when using things like Google images, Deviantart, etc.

When on FA however, things are tagged horribly and as such can easily bypass said safety settings, and even if this was a viable argument, that doesn't make it okay lol.

 

[BlackDragonAJ89]

In regards to muscle or fat art I feel like the arguably easy way is to decide whether something is proportionately accurate. If someone is more blob than human, like literally standing on their bellies, or they have an ass bigger than their entire torso/head/legs combined...that's a pretty clear mature tag at the very least. If not NSFW. >_>;

I'd certainly argue that is a good measure to go by. Anything "hyper" should probably get an auto mature/NSFW tag on the spot.

 

[Raever]

I'd certainly argue that is a good measure to go by. Anything "hyper" should probably get an auto mature/NSFW tag on the spot.

Nothing NSFW about some wholesome art of thick or shapely ladies doing their thing ~ <3

 

[Raever]

I feel like this shouldn't be an unreasonable request-

I made a thread awhile ago about consent culture in kinky spaces and it exploded. Mainly becausr an unreasonable amount of people didn't seem to understand that you have to get consent of the audience before doing kinky shit.

It was something to the tune of "We wouldn't ever be able to be kinky! You can't ask each individual person if it's okay!"

To which, the practical answer is to have designated kinky spaces. Thats the point. You can't have kinky shit happening out in public. It has to be in a space where everyone WANTS TO see it. It's already a thing in other kink communities. I'm not sure how much of it is trolls in the furry community or if it's just a widespread disregard for boundaries.

The idea of furries disregarding kink culture and the necessary consent for those involved is kind of depressing considering my respect for the community and its members.

What part of consent automatically equates to "no more kink"? You'd think people would be psyched to have happy, healthy, willing kink spaces. I'm genuinely worried about the non-trolls who reacted so negatively.

 

[TyraWadman]

If their safety settings are turned on the chances of "stumbling" into such things are so much less when using things like Google images, Deviantart, etc.

When on FA however, things are tagged horribly and as such can easily bypass said safety settings, and even if this was a viable argument, that doesn't make it okay lol.

I personally wouldn't let a child on FA ever and they'd still have to convince me to even let them on DA. XD There's too much fetish art and porn that is improperly tagged things between them. But google pulls the images from both of these sites, and while it's usually much cleaner, it still gave me anxiety seeing a kid scroll by greninja face down-assup blushing at the viewer (no anus details or anything like that, but still very suggestive). Or morbidly obese pokemon looking too pleased with themselves and in diapers. And so on.

Gotta agree with this one 100%.

Then again, FA has always been a bit...well...lenient with highly questionable things.

I'm only making that comment based on the response I got on a trouble ticket, mang. Just a few days ago too. All we can do is wait and see just how they intend to change it- or if the dude that answered my ticket jumped the gun.

 

[Raever]

You're not the first person to complain about the grey area that is fetish art, and as purveyor of smut, I find the categories to be vague, at best. Though my art tends either be explicitly NSFW or fine.

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Define "mature themes" or "geared towards adult audiences." Given that we could sit and argue examples for days, these seem too general. I would think there needs to be a 4th category - would you show this to grandma. If you wouldn't show it to your grandmother, then it probably shouldn't count as SFW. Or perhaps "this is fetish-specific art" as an option. Really, there doesn't need to be a big complicated tagging system, just one more question. Or, by default, anything categorized as not "general furry art" gets the filter applied, though this would need a few more categories to handle what could be described as "vanilla" porn.

I agree that FA's overall system is excessively vague and painfully lacking. That said, personally speaking my workaround is simple...

General Art: Art that you could show a young child with a free conscience (ex. Wholesome scenes, general portraits be they daily life or combative or fandom based, cute basic romantic things, etc.)

Mature Art: Art that you can likely get away with looking at in public without being too judged by the content, or can easily explain away (more sensual imavery or proportionate body appreciation, gore or candy gore, mature battle scenes with blood and guts, heated "vanilla" or borderline "vanilla" sensual scenes that don't display actual privates or private hints such as body hair, liquids, etc or otherwise suggestive but "safe/vanilla" scenes)

Adult Art: Fetish art of all kinds (Hyper, Macro, Micro, Vore be it deadly or non, Watersports, Belching, Gas, Feet shots, BDSM, Basically anything and everything explicit or sexual including vanilla that isn't the sensual sort, literally no holds barred just dive in!)

Just how my brain would group things without a more detailed system.

 

[Raever]

I personally wouldn't let a child on FA ever and they'd still have to convince me to even let them on DA. XD

Unfortunately for you children join both websites as young as thirteen, and so whether you'd let one on or not doesn't effect much unless FA raises its age limit to adults only.

it still gave me anxiety seeing a kid scroll by greninja face down-assup blushing at the viewer (no anus details or anything like that, but still very suggestive). Or morbidly obese pokemon looking too pleased with themselves and in diapers. And so on.

Yeah, but again, most of the time scrolling past that is one out of one hundred images on Google unless you type in more than just "Pokemon Greninja Art" whereas with FA it's basically one out of five images or less ninety percent of the time. The difference is astonishing!

All we can do is wait and see just how they intend to change it- or if the dude that answered my ticket jumped the gun.

I genuinely hope more is done. We shall see ~